⚡ EV Move Over Tesla: Rivian R1T Electric Pickup

[Jeffs FRC]

In which you can go to a gas station and be back on the road in 5 minutes or less. No so much for an EV.

Or in the Rivian, you can go to a fast charger and get 140 miles in 20 mins. It's really not a huge deal. My F150 is less than 3 years old and has 85k miles. I can count on ONE finger the times I've driven over 300 miles in one day.

Fact is, these Rivians will be perfectly fine for 95% of the public and what they need a truck to do. And besides the refuel, it will do literally everything better than any other truck around.

 

[v6buicks]

Or in the Rivian, you can go to a fast charger and get 140 miles in 20 mins. It's really not a huge deal. My F150 is less than 3 years old and has 85k miles. I can count on ONE finger the times I've driven over 300 miles in one day.

Fact is, these Rivians will be perfectly fine for 95% of the public and what they need a truck to do. And besides the refuel, it will do literally everything better than any other truck around.

I don't speak on behalf of the public. I only speak on behalf of myself which is why I find it humorous at how defensive you all get when I state my opinions.

I don't live in a city. When I'm taking my cars to any of the annual events or shop appointments its over 200 miles one way. You'll have that when you drive nichey stuff. I'm also finding it pretty uncommon to see chargers anywhere that would that I would find it the most necessary (truck stops/rest stops/ect.) I don't know for sure that it wouldn't work, but I wouldn't feel very good about towing a car with an electric truck through OH or KY. Useful to someone else isn't necessarily useful to me.

 

[SpeedSpeak2me]

When I saw these (R1S, R1T) during their reveal in Atlanta (2019?) I really wanted to like it. But the minuscule bed was such a deal killer. Sure they can tow a lot (very limited range), and have a huge payload capacity, but you can't even fit a bicycle in the back unless you stand it up on its end.

 

[Jeffs FRC]

I don't speak on behalf of the public. I only speak on behalf of myself which is why I find it humorous at how defensive you all get when I state my opinions.

I don't live in a city. When I'm taking my cars to any of the annual events or shop appointments its over 200 miles one way. You'll have that when you drive nichey stuff. I'm also finding it pretty uncommon to see chargers anywhere that would that I would find it the most necessary (truck stops/rest stops/ect.) I don't know for sure that it wouldn't work, but I wouldn't feel very good about towing a car with an electric truck through OH or KY. Useful to someone else isn't necessarily useful to me.

Hence the 95% part. You are in the absolute minority of people that this truck wont work for, and that's fine. I'd set my F150 on fire to get one of these...lol

 

[v6buicks]

When I saw these (R1S, R1T) during their reveal in Atlanta (2019?) I really wanted to like it. But the minuscule bed was such a deal killer. Sure they can tow a lot (very limited range), and have a huge payload capacity, but you can't even fit a bicycle in the back unless you stand it up on its end.

I don't think I noticed that it was that small. I think I was more interested in the SUV version before I saw the range spec anyway. Despite looking like a tadpole, I think it's a pretty nice looking vehicle.

 

[SpeedSpeak2me]

I don't think I noticed that it was that small. I think I was more interested in the SUV version before I saw the range spec anyway. Despite looking like a tadpole, I think it's a pretty nice looking vehicle.

Yeah, the pickup's box dimensions are really really small. With the tailgate down I wouldn't be able to put any of my toys in the back (track bike, ATV, cruiser). IIRC it's like 4 1/2' with the tailgate up.

 

[Stink Star]

My '18 F150 gets about 300 miles per tank...

I REALLY like the suv version of this. Will strongly consider for my wifes next car when we dont need the minivan.

The R1S is a definite contender for my next vehicle

 

[RedBeard]

 

[Stink Star]

You must have missed the part where you can’t tow cars cross country without charging so it’s a complete failure and nobody should ever consider buying one

 

[Thirdgen89GTA]

I completely can't wait to see one Kitted out with the Jeep gas cans.

Its electric you say, no gas cans needed.

No sir, the gas will be for the generator they mount in the bed so they can charge their truck in the middle of the Sahara.

 

[Gone_2022]

The only problem I am seeing with trucks and towing etc are the chargers. My critique includes Tesla as well. Nearly all the chargers are setup so you back your vehicle up to them in a parking space. Get out and plug in. However if your towing something that’s not possible unless you unhitch….. or your a huge dick and block a bunch of chargers sideways.

This is one oversight I actually think Tesla missed as well.

 

[Pressure Ratio]

Yeah, the pickup's box dimensions are really really small. With the tailgate down I wouldn't be able to put any of my toys in the back (track bike, ATV, cruiser). IIRC it's like 4 1/2' with the tailgate up.

It all depends on intended uses. Someone with a motorcycle or ATV might not buy one as they won't fit them in the bed. Or possibly even with the tailgate down.

But plenty of people never use the whole bed, load capacity, or max tow rating. Plenty of people own Honda Ridgeline and Jeep Gladiators. Or SUV that would trade into something with a small bed. I think there is a market for a pickup that isn't a monster. I doubt many people looking to buy this would use it as a work-style truck. It'll be more of a lifestyle-use vehicle. Maybe one day they will offer one with a larger bed. My guess would be thay make this version, then the SUV, and stop there. But we will have to wait and see.

The only problem I am seeing with trucks and towing etc are the chargers. My critique includes Tesla as well. Nearly all the chargers are setup so you back your vehicle up to them in a parking space. Get out and plug in. However if your towing something that’s not possible unless you unhitch….. or your a huge dick and block a bunch of chargers sideways.

This is one oversight I actually think Tesla missed as well.

No extension cord available for a situation like that?

 

[Gone_2022]

Nope. The charger cables are just long enough to reach the cars. They are pretty thick cables. And only maybe 4-5 feet long? It’s perfect the way it’s designed for travel now, but not for towing

 

[Stink Star]

Tesla does have some assorted superchargers that are pull through style for towing. Obviously not enough yet, but they do have some.

 

[MikeyLikesIt]

Just an FYI, the 315 mile is their standard pack. Rivian will also offer a 180kWh Max Pack that will be over 400+ miles of range. It has not been officially tested by the EPA so they haven't released the numbers yet.

I know this doesn't help the towing guys. If they can get close to 450 miles, that would be good enough for me as I am just usually hauling cargo and I am definitely missing my truck lately.

What I don't like about Rivian is their constant marketing push for off-roading. Its like Tesla with their self driving. Most people don't opt in for the Full Self driving yet its constantly discussed and pushed by Tesla.

 

[Yaj Yak]

Just an FYI, the 315 mile is their standard pack. Rivian will also offer a 180kWh Max Pack that will be over 400+ miles of range. It has not been officially tested by the EPA so they haven't released the numbers yet.

I know this doesn't help the towing guys. If they can get close to 450 miles, that would be good enough for me as I am just usually hauling cargo and I am definitely missing my truck lately.

What I don't like about Rivian is their constant marketing push for off-roading. Its like Tesla with their self driving. Most people don't opt in for the Full Self driving yet its constantly discussed and pushed by Tesla.

right, those pics of the trucks THAT extreme offroad like 99% of dudes with fullsize trucks ain't doin that

neat thhough

 

[Yaj Yak]

The only problem I am seeing with trucks and towing etc are the chargers. My critique includes Tesla as well. Nearly all the chargers are setup so you back your vehicle up to them in a parking space. Get out and plug in. However if your towing something that’s not possible unless you unhitch….. or your a huge dick and block a bunch of chargers sideways.

This is one oversight I actually think Tesla missed as well.

can't you pull in forward?

 

[Gone_2022]

can't you pull in forward?

It’s a parking space. 1 the cord isn’t long enough esp for cars with the charge point in the rear of the vehicle, and 2 you would be blocking the driving lane with your trailer.

Photo for reference

 

[Yaj Yak]

It’s a parking space. 1 the cord isn’t long enough esp for cars with the charge point in the rear of the vehicle, and 2 you would be blocking the driving lane with your trailer.

Photo for reference

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I didn't know how deep the spots were or that the lanes worked that direction orrrrr that the chargers were in the back of all these trucks that barely exist yet.

 

[Gone_2022]

I was just speaking on Tesla. But they are just normal parking spots. That includes electrify America etc. not deep spots for the most part.

Back in or pull in depending on your plug configuration. Either way your sticking out

 

[Stink Star]

It would be perfect if gas stations installed charging stations along the outside perimeter of the property. Plenty of room for a trailer and a captive audience to sell overpriced soda and snacks in exchange for letting them use a dirty bathroom

 

[Lead Pipe]

It would be perfect if gas stations installed charging stations along the outside perimeter of the property. Plenty of room for a trailer and a captive audience to sell overpriced soda and snacks in exchange for letting them use a dirty bathroom

Gas stations will put in charging stations as soon as they can charge per kwh. It's coming.

 

[Bru]

Gas stations will put in charging stations as soon as they can charge per kwh. It's coming.

It's already here. Fast-chargers charge per kWh and can make a fast-charge-fill-up convenient, but costly considering the home charging alternative. They're still not "fast" though, compared with filling up with gasoline. Electrify America is .43 per kWh if you're not a member, and Tesla Supercharging around here is $.31. Looking through receipts, my last Model Y fill-up with Supercharging was $15 for 49 kWh, which was probably good for 200 miles or so. That shakes out to the cost of roughly a 40-mpg car. But the Model Y is extremely efficient compared with non-Tesla EVs so the cost would be higher with something else at an EA station, for example.

 

[Gone_2022]

Also depends on the state as well. That same charge in Wisconsin would have been about 5-6 bucks because Wisconsin charges by the amount of time you sit there vs kWh.

I loved road tripping up there because my splash and dash of 150-200 miles was like 4 bucks lol

 

[Stink Star]

But the Model Y is extremely efficient compared with non-Tesla EVs so the cost would be higher with something else at an EA station, for example.

this is a point lost on many people. The taycan (just an example, not picking on it) for example can theoretically charge at 350kw but it has such low efficiency that even though it can charge faster than a tesla, the amount of range for a given amount of charge time is lower.

this is really going to show up in the big EV trucks like a hummer and the cybertruck. They may have a lot of range and be able to charge at a high peak rate, but have massive 150+kWh batteries to fill so range/min will always be lower than a car.