so I picked up another daily

[Fish]

Get a fender well intake for maximum whine hehe
I think zzp sells them. Cleans up the engine bay nicely as opposed to that huge air box.

FWI is meh. I had a Wizair for awhile. It was nice and the air box was cooler inside compared to outside. If you remove the weather stripping and hood liner, you really only got heat soak sitting in traffic. Otherwise my IATs with my "open cone" intake were close to ambient temps.

 

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You crazy, a cone just sitting in the engine bay was close to ambient temps? When? Whilst driving 90mph constantly on a 50° day?

 

[Pressure Ratio]

If the benefits of airflow into the blower outweigh the added air temps, sure.

 

[Fish]

You crazy, a cone just sitting in the engine bay was close to ambient temps? When? Whilst driving 90mph constantly on a 50° day?

My scans didnt lie. While in motion on a summer day, I was 5* of ambient temps while doing the speed limit. The engine bays are huge and air comes in from everywhere. Sitting at a light it would shoot up fast sure, but after a good 15-20 seconds it fell back. I also pulled the weather stripping and hood liner, which is what I said in my first post.

Also It was a Regal. I wore a gray hair wig and did 40 on the highway.

 

[10sec]

My scans didnt lie. While in motion on a summer day, I was 5* of ambient temps while doing the speed limit. The engine bays are huge and air comes in from everywhere. Sitting at a light it would shoot up fast sure, but after a good 15-20 seconds it fell back. I also pulled the weather stripping and hood liner, which is what I said in my first post.

Also It was a Regal. I wore a gray hair wig and did 40 on the highway.

My man, I saw what you said, but I tuned like 35+ cars and every one of them had IAT's that really disagree with that. Tuning my own car (that was stock) was my first indicator that the stock intake was the more reliable for consistent IAT's. They would be about 5° warmer than the ambient temps, but a cone filter in the engine bay in any kind of realistic conditions were like 120°+ all day, every day. Even then, on a day in the 70's, if I stopped once from my 9 mile drive home, the IATs would sky to the 120's and stay there until I got home, if not higher. I scanned my shit every day, I owned the software so why not? The only time the IAT's were anywhere near the ambient temps were when the car was constantly moving on a cooler day or it was cold AF outside.

 

[Fish]

TBH,my scans were from Elk Grove Village to Vernon Hills at the time so it was mixed highway and 2 lane roads. Thats when I did most of my scans when trying to fine tune my cruise timing which is why I was scanning. Maybe the highway speeds (not 90. LOL. I do usually 70-75 depending) kept them down? I know the regal has a huge gaping opening in the front compared to Grand Prixs so maybe that? I cant tell ya. Just saw what I saw.

Either way, we arent telling the man to remove his BBV, so we can high five at that.

 

[Pressure Ratio]

I have seen lots of cars with air inlets in the engine bay have AIT temps rise when standing still and lower once the car gets moving. Most air boxes keep consistent AIT.

New performance cars have good filters and flow well. Aftermarket intakes seem to only make more power when they can increase flow into the engine. Due to how cramped how these new cars are in the front end and engine bay, a lot of times the new air boxes have small inlets from in front of the car to the air box. Modded cars can be hurt more as the engines potential airflow increases a lot and the airbox becomes a restriction.

Testing the restriction of a airbox and inlet tubing is easy to test. But in most cases are probably not worth even setting up. haha

 

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TBH,my scans were from Elk Grove Village to Vernon Hills at the time so it was mixed highway and 2 lane roads. Thats when I did most of my scans when trying to fine tune my cruise timing which is why I was scanning. Maybe the highway speeds (not 90. LOL. I do usually 70-75 depending) kept them down? I know the regal has a huge gaping opening in the front compared to Grand Prixs so maybe that? I cant tell ya. Just saw what I saw.

Either way, we arent telling the man to remove his BBV, so we can high five at that.

Wait, you never removed your BBV??!!!

 

[Yaj Yak]

arguing fwi vs open cone intakes on 3800s

DID I GO BACK IN TIME 12 YEARS

 

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WUUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

 

[GTPpower]

Iat temps always dropped close to the ambient once moving on all my cars and the cars I've tuned.

The fastest times and highest dyno's have come from cars with a filter right next to the tb or no filter at all.

 

[UWISHU1]

So....

ZZP 2.5" catted down pipe and Dynomax ultra flow SS muffler. Dropped a used K&N panel filter I had sitting around.
This should let it breath a bit better.

 

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I hate that company so much, but to the purchases! I'll just pretend you made them yourself.

 

[Fish]

I preached everywhere I could, but I LOVED the hooker maxflows I had on my GP and Regal. It didnt sound as shitty at WOT and really good at idle to mid range RPMS. For the regal I used a resonated single tip that resembled the GMPP exhaust tips for the Grand Prix.

Damn, I wish I saw these when I had my GP. That would have looked cool with the painted facias.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06ZZCFVZR/?tag=tcg21-20

 

[b4black]

but a cone filter in the engine bay in any kind of realistic conditions were like 120°+ all day, every day. Even then, on a day in the 70's, if I stopped once from my 9 mile drive home, the IATs would sky to the 120's and stay there until I got home, if not higher.

Yep, I have a cone filter on the TB. Just looked at a scan from Byron. 120° while staging. It slowly dropped to 86°F by the end of the run. This was in September and I guessing it was in the low 70's, IIRC

With an IC and E85, it wasn't a big problem for me. It really depends on what you engine's constraint is. Mine wasn't heat management. It was airflow (stock TB and valvetrain). Most other cars would benefit from getting the cone out of the engine compartment.

 

[Handsome Jesus]

You'll be happy with the ultraflo. Granted the system on my car was 3" with 2 other dynomax resonators, it was probably the best sounding regal exhaust back before it all rotted out...

Need a set of headers for this car? Now that you just got the DP...

 

[m_dogg]

I preached everywhere I could, but I LOVED the hooker maxflows I had on my GP and Regal. It didnt sound as shitty at WOT and really good at idle to mid range RPMS.

Yep
That's what I settled for after countless muffler swaps. Nice deep tone and no rasp. I love my hookers

 

[UWISHU1]

Came out sweet, ultra flows sound great.

 

[m_dogg]

My old setup hehe
Twin brothers

 

[UWISHU1]

short vid

http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/5a8dbd52a1796/VID_271250922_072729_781.mp4

 

[Bru]

Very cool. Sometimes I want to find a clean Wbody and replicate [MENTION=5]Mook[/MENTION] 's setup. That thing was cllleeeeaaaaannnn.

 

[Yaj Yak]

Very cool. Sometimes I want to find a clean Wbody and replicate [MENTION=5]Mook[/MENTION] 's setup. That thing was cllleeeeaaaaannnn.

it's out here...

guy just wants too much still for it.

 

[Yaj Yak]

and by "guy wants too much for it"

i mean

"he wants more than my cheap ass would pay for it"

 

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$5900?!!! GTFO of here.

 

[Yaj Yak]

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaa