don't forget the $7500 tax credit on the S as well. that's probably pretty close to covering the payment on it the whole first year of ownership
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/taxevb.shtml
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/taxevb.shtml
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You already answered your question in your first post. Committing to a 90k car? This isn't marriage, it's pretty easy to get out of a car if you don't like it. If it truly does save you 4 to 5k per year, then it's a no brainer IMO. I'm not sure what the resale on a Tesla is, but I'm betting it's high.
Shitty or not to you, this was second best when it came to what gm was offering back in 03, first was the DTS.Yeah Mike, what i said or you could take advice from someone that thinks fine luxury comes in the form of a shitty Buick and not a 5 series
I view a 5 series to be what the Camry / ES is to Toyota. The big flagship LS could be compared to the 7/8 series in this case.
A three series is an entry level car imo.
they don't feel special or nice to me.
I view them as a premium car but not luxurious.
Alas, the park avenue was marketed as a luxury car by GM themselves when it sold, it was also their flagship. Irrelevant to this thread however.
I know you test drive a lot of stuff. Have you driven anything "luxury" cats post 2010?
When I was helping a friend out doing valet work I drove a decent amount of brand new MB. And very few BMW. and 0 PAU. Get being the wheel of actual luxury and you will call your car crap
Mike K if you found a car with a ball massager jump on it. I'd look into MB as an option. But it sounds like you have decided on the model s
There is no "entry level" Rolls or Bentley. Entry level is a 320i or C class for example.
I guess that depends on your definition of entry level. If a 320i is an entry level and costs 30k+, does that make virtually every toyota entry level? How is a 320i entry level when they make a 1 and 2 series? What are those? Pre entry level cars?
2013 Bentley Continental First Drive – Review – Car and Driver
As I said previously, give me that entry level Bentley.
As I said previously, give me that entry level Bentley.
1, 2 and low end 3 series are entry level luxury. The hope the BMW has is you move up to a 5, 7 , etc.
Breh, what do you know about luxury cars? You obviously don't drive a Park Avenue Ultima.
I'm enticed... Actually checked those out after you said that. I think my only reservation would be that properly equipped it's actually getting into Tesla territory.
I'd love to. Hell, I'd love to get the new twin turbo A8. It's a huge value and turns a 12.4 second quarter mile time and 3.9 0-60. That is sick and the car is actually a value. For how much I drive though, owning that would be really stupid. In fact, any luxo-barge is going to be stupid. I'd get eaten up on gas.
We also just got a house in the Hollywood Hills where the roads are so narrow you need to pull over to let oncoming traffic pass. So having something that long and wide isn't a good combo but I want. Fuck I want a new A8L.
My biggest gripe right now is that there's no engine noise, no shifting, etc. The BMW just came in on the transport a few days ago. I got the tune fixed so it stopped bogging and I've fallen in love with it all over. I love the sound of the engine. I love the turbo lag when it starts off and how ridiculously hard the power comes on. I fear I'd miss that. That said, there's posts every where owners talk about how little they miss their previous awesome cars. I just talked to a guy in a grocery store parking lot this morning that said his last car was a Cayman S and he didn't miss it at all. Not only that but he was emphatically telling me this was the best car he's ever owned. But I just keep coming back to the engine, the gear shifts, exhaust and turbo noise and can't help but to feel like I'd miss it.
At $8.00 to fill the tank it wouldn't much matter either way.
Yes, already put the deposit down on the Maxima.
I don't hate it. It's just that when you option it out it's approaching Model S territory and doesn't get much better mileage than my 535. There's a trump card here and that's that my 535 will get good gas mileage if I don't mix in ethanol and stop driving like a raging asshole. The problem is that if I don't drive like a raging asshole I don't see the need to own that car.
The CTS-V is an amazing car but they get absolute shit for gas mileage. I've been following a guy on Jalopnik that owns one. He did a cross country trip and on each update people post comments on the story. The most common repeated theme in the comments is how absolutely abysmal the the gas mileage. Some people report getting 6 - 8mpg. I can beat the everliving snot out of my car and still pull 13 so that would be a downgrade for me. I'd probably go V10 M5 if I wanted to deal with that kind of gas mileage.
I've been really OCD about all this. I have a spreadsheet that takes this all into account. My estimate for the savings has the tax credits for the FED and state calculated into it. The problem is Tesla has significantly raised the price of the car. A month ago the air suspension cost $1500; now it's $2500. The upgraded stereo was $900; now it's $2500. Other options that were standard are now add-ons. So I'd probably forego the credit and buy one used with a few thousand miles on it.
Well the e85 is significantly cheaper than premium so it's kind of a wash there. I get a few less MPG but it costs something like $10.00 less to fill up. The difference between an E85 blend and premium only is small enough to not matter to me.
Yeah I know... I'm just talking about if something tragic were to happen to Tesla. Fisker owners paid 100k+ for their cars and now they're worth around 50k. But yeah, as of right now used cars are selling for more than they sold for new and they're apparently selling too because nobody will budget on price.
This might have been the case in previous years but it's not now and hasn't been for awhile. The current iteration 5 series can be had with the same engine and same options as the bigger 7 series and is just as luxurious. The 3 series is an entry BMW but still a luxury car when compared to just about anything domestic.
If a 10 year old Park Avenue feels more special or nice than a new 3 series you have seriously skewed taste in cars. The "luxury" 90's and 00's GM cars were normal cars with more features and stuff that GM believed people would perceive as luxurious like poor quality leather. Go sit in a 2003 330i and then sit in your Park Avenue. The two aren't even in the same ball park. I'm not trying to be mean but let's call a spade a spade. Nobody but the 82 year old that originally purchased it out of habit because he'd been buying Buicks for decades considers the Park Avenue to be even remotely luxurious. That's why Buick's sales died as that generation of buyers died. They couldn't convince anyone new that they built anything that wasn't a poorly rebranded Chevy.
Entry level Gallardo = junk. I don't want no base model.
There is another option here and that's just to enjoy the BMW. I just see how much I'm spending on gas and I think that it would be nice to spend that money on the car itself and yeah, obviously it's no secret that I like the Model S.
I was just wondering if there was something else I missed. Sickmint went off on his "I hate Tesla and people that like Tesla" rant in the Tesla post and posted the Panamera S hybrid which seems pretty good until you look at the all electric range on it. It really looks like the Tesla fits the bill but I've been such a Tesla leg humper that I want to make sure I buy it because it makes sense, not because I'm trying to make the numbers work. But I've run the numbers and I just don't see how I wouldn't save money on one...
What the hell... people seriously need to get their heads checked before giving advice
Luxury cars offered by the domestics in the early 2000s were the same damn cars as the base models except they glued some fancy wood trim over the plastic pieces or put some extra padding in the seats. I could go on and on.
Compare that to the german cars where they use the same materials, same engines and same interior features in each model at different size and price-points.
An entry level BMW or MB is miles ahead.
Geez, where are the people who actually test cars for a living and get paid to review them?
Luxury cars offered by the domestics in the early 2000s were the same damn cars as the base models except they glued some fancy wood trim over the plastic pieces or put some extra padding in the seats. I could go on and on.
Compare that to the german cars where they use the same materials, same engines and same interior features in each model at different size and price-points.
An entry level BMW or MB is miles ahead.
Geez, where are the people who actually test cars for a living and get paid to review them?
The Model S? Yeah, I drove one a few months back. Predictably, I loved it. I wish the interior was a bit less concept car like though.
This...
Then again, if we're being fair, early 2000's Mercedes was absolute garbage too. That whole Daimler Chrysler thing didn't end very well.
These are the same people that are going to argue why they don't like the new super car that just came out.
Those people getting such terrible gas mileage in their CTS-Vs are beating the hell out of their cars while recording those figures too. Lack of MPG while flogging on a car is attributed to the usage by the owner, not the vehicle itself from my standpoint. Any car that typically gets good MPG will achieve terrible, horrific MPG if you are beating on it while recording results. Drive it normally and see what it gets. After all, if you care about MPG then chances are likely that you aren't driving like a psycho all the time, ya know? Are you really looking for a car that will actually be able to achieve good MPG while beating the snot out of it or just while driving it normally?
I've always rated a car's MPG ability based upon what it gets during fairly normal driving because that's how I drive 90% of the time. Either way, if you don't feel the CTS-V is a fit for you then that is that, but I had to address the apparent lack of MPG that you seem to be concerned about in those cars.
Those people getting such terrible gas mileage in their CTS-Vs are beating the hell out of their cars while recording those figures too. Lack of MPG while flogging on a car is attributed to the usage by the owner, not the vehicle itself from my standpoint. Any car that typically gets good MPG will achieve terrible, horrific MPG if you are beating on it while recording results. Drive it normally and see what it gets. After all, if you care about MPG then chances are likely that you aren't driving like a psycho all the time, ya know? Are you really looking for a car that will actually be able to achieve good MPG while beating the snot out of it or just while driving it normally?
Either way, if you don't feel the CTS-V is a fit for you then that is that, but I had to address the apparent lack of MPG that you seem to be concerned about in those cars.
Look at my original statement that you quoted. I can beat the snot out of my car and get 13mpg. I can beat the snot out of a CTS-V and get 8. I'm not looking to sell my car for something less efficient. Not to mention the cheapest CTS-V's are still in the high 30k's, would be older than my car and have at least twice the mileage. It's not a good move for someone that cites efficiency as his reason for switching vehicles. That's my only point.
I am looking for a unique car. Something that is so efficient you can beat it up without too much concern or something that is so cheap to fill that you wouldn't care. The Tesla seems to be the only car that ticks that box. I was hoping someone had an alternative. Sickmint seemed hell bent on saying the technology behind the Panamera S Hybrid was a Tesla killer (it's not) and I was hoping someone else had a car similar to that that I wasn't aware of that is particularly efficient without sacrificing luxury or performance. I realize I'm asking for a lot here. I kind of knew going into the post that the real decision would be to either keep the BMW or get a Tesla because I'm fairly certain nothing comparable exists or is even in the pipeline.
I think we are both citing two different areas of efficiency, so I will leave the discussion at that.
So, what you're saying is that you AREN'T going to be getting a 2003 Buick Park Avenue Ultra then?
So, what you're saying is that you AREN'T going to be getting a 2003 Buick Park Avenue Ultra then?
Hey now! Don't break the bank. Wouldn't want to hear of you having to eat ramen noodles in order to afford that sweet piece of.................
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