Uh-oh Tesla

[Dasfinc]

That's what I was thinking. I can see Fiat/Dodge buying them. After all Dodge is really known as a producer of gas guzzling V8 cars. Other manufacturers are investing and producing electric and electric hybrid cars. I could see Dodge swooping in and buying a bankrupt Tesla cheap. Just like they did when Dodge bought AMC to acquire Jeep.

Dodge and more broadly FCA are not doing well from a long-term perspective and frankly lack capital anyways.

 

[Gone_2022]

I would not want to see Dodge buy them. They are one of the last manufacturers I think of when you use the words innovation and EV. It would set us back years if they bought Tesla.

 

[FirstWorldProblems]

This analyst hit the nail on the head in one sentence

“With a code red situation at Tesla, Musk & Co. are expanding into insurance, robotaxis, and other sci-fi projects/endeavors when the company instead should be laser-focused on shoring up core demand for Model 3 and simplifying its business model and expense structure,” Ives wrote in his report.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-falls-analyst-says-profit-101527918.html

 

[Stink Star]

Tesla could license their battery, motors, and software to other manufacturers. I'm sure that could be a source of significant revenue.

Absolutely not- the thing that makes Tesla awesome isn’t the fact that their batteries or motors are good. It’s their philosophy about how a car should work and giving customers free updates to their software. No other manufacturer would be willing to do that

 

[jason05gt]

Absolutely not- the thing that makes Tesla awesome isn’t the fact that their batteries or motors are good. It’s their philosophy about how a car should work and giving customers free updates to their software. No other manufacturer would be willing to do that

I disagree here. Tesla's battery and motor tech is more efficient than what the other large manufacturers are currently offering.

The "free" software OTA updates I suspect likely will not be free in the future or subscription based. This could be a nice revenue stream for Tesla. Remember Tesla started to charge for Supercharging too.

 

[CMNTMXR57]

That's what I was thinking. I can see Fiat/Dodge buying them. After all Dodge is really known as a producer of gas guzzling V8 cars. Other manufacturers are investing and producing electric and electric hybrid cars. I could see Dodge swooping in and buying a bankrupt Tesla cheap. Just like they did when Dodge bought AMC to acquire Jeep.

That's a good thing though.

 

[Stink Star]

I disagree here. Tesla's battery and motor tech is more efficient than what the other large manufacturers are currently offering.

The "free" software OTA updates I suspect likely will not be free in the future or subscription based. This could be a nice revenue stream for Tesla. Remember Tesla started to charge for Supercharging too.

While I agree (and experts agree) that the motors and batteries are much better than the competition, to the consumer it’s all the other little things that make the Tesla better, not the specs of the motors and what not. To a “normal” manufacturer, the batteries and motors are all they’d care about.... so the consumer would lose all the things that make Teslas special.

 

[Pressure Ratio]

So basically Tesla can sell some motors and batteries and not lose customers that want a Tesla for what it offers. Seems like an option to generate some revenue without generating a direct competitor. No?

 

[Gone_2022]

I think the battery portion was something they were shooting for down the road? I know once their factories were completed and fully operational they would be producing more batteries and packs than all manufacturers combined currently. Or at least they would have the ability too.

 

[Stink Star]

As of right now they can’t make batteries fast enough. That was why they bought out Maxwell technologies, they apparently have tech to increase factory throughput and make more batteries in the space they still have, let alone in gigafactory 3 once that’s complete later this year.

 

[FirstWorldProblems]

While I agree (and experts agree) that the motors and batteries are much better than the competition, to the consumer it’s all the other little things that make the Tesla better, not the specs of the motors and what not. To a “normal” manufacturer, the batteries and motors are all they’d care about.... so the consumer would lose all the things that make Teslas special.

Consumers lose those things if tesla goes bankrupt too, lol

 

[VenomousDSG]

Bankruptcy is coming...

 

[Pressure Ratio]

I know this isn't Tesla, but this has to be troubling for Musk to be fighting battles on two fronts with Tesla and SpaceX. Seems SpaceX was not offered a Launch Service Agreement from the Air Force for rocket development. Hundreds of millions in contracts I am sure they were banking on. Yikes.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/22/tech/spacex-blue-origin-lawsuit/index.html

 

[VenomousDSG]

All that government cheese for multiple businesses getting cut off...

 

[MikeyLikesIt]

Just fanning the flames because it's fun.

Tesla is profitable in 3rd quarter
Shorts lost 1.4 bil in one day
China factory completed ahead of schedule, production starting
Model Y ahead of schedule (Summer 2020)
Tesla truck unveils next month

Oh and a bonus for all the fan boys.....
Tesla is now worth more than GM

 

[Mr_Roboto]

Nothing to contribute.

 

[FirstWorldProblems]

Good for them, hopefully the boost in profitability isn't mostly related to unsustainable cost cutting measures. Sounds like that was a big part of it though

The model 3 demand seems to have picked up a lot, which was a concern not long ago.

The big 3 are also very easy targets nowadays with all of their failures. Without pickups they don't exist. If tesla takes even a little of their truck market share it's going to have a huge impact

 

[crooks]

If the telsa truck isnt a copy of the ridge line (I'm looking at rivian) I would get one

 

[Stink Star]

Tesla pickup truck reveal Nov 21 in Hawthorne California at space X headquarters

 

[Grabber]

I was actually pricing out a Tesla Model S the other day.

If you want anything remotely good with options other than auto pilot, the car is welll over 80-85K, not included tax/title, etc.

They definitely look good with the dark gray and the $4,500 wheel option (ROR), but, that is a lot of coin.

Maybe if I had a lot of "fuck you money" I'd do it.

 

[Stink Star]

Welp, time to remove lithium concerns and excessive water usage from reasons to hate on electric cars. Gotta update the “boomers hate EVs bingo”

Lithium produced for Tesla's batteries is less polluting than 31 cups of coffee: researcher

There are many criticisms of electric vehicles like Teslas, and one of them involves the notion that EVs require massive amounts of water to produce the lithium in their batteries. This idea, according to Dr. Maximilian Fichtner, who serves as the Director at the Helmholtz Institute for...

www.teslarati.com

 

[Mr_Roboto]

Welp, time to remove lithium concerns and excessive water usage from reasons to hate on electric cars. Gotta update the “boomers hate EVs bingo”

Lithium produced for Tesla's batteries is less polluting than 31 cups of coffee: researcher

There are many criticisms of electric vehicles like Teslas, and one of them involves the notion that EVs require massive amounts of water to produce the lithium in their batteries. This idea, according to Dr. Maximilian Fichtner, who serves as the Director at the Helmholtz Institute for...

www.teslarati.com

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That's such a misleading headline if you read the article. They're talking about water use in manufacture then skip down to where they talk about mining cobalt. Seems kind of silly to me. They still don't have cobalt batteries and it doesn't talk anything about mining the lithium to make the batteries either.

 

[jason05gt]

That's such a misleading headline if you read the article. They're talking about water use in manufacture then skip down to where they talk about mining cobalt. Seems kind of silly to me. They still don't have cobalt batteries and it doesn't talk anything about mining the lithium to make the batteries either.

That site comes up on my Apple News feed from time to time. I swear Musk has a secret dossieur on that author.

Here's another look at topic:

Electric cars are still better for the environment. But lithium mining has some problems

Electric cars are inarguably better for the planet — yet mining metals for batteries leaves much to be desired

www.salon.com

 

[Stink Star]

That site comes up on my Apple News feed from time to time. I swear Musk has a secret dossieur on that author.

Here's another look at topic:

Electric cars are still better for the environment. But lithium mining has some problems

Electric cars are inarguably better for the planet — yet mining metals for batteries leaves much to be desired

www.salon.com

.....or it’s the truth and even with battery materials and carbon emissions, electric cars are still way better than at 30% (at best) efficient ICE vehicle

 

[Grabber]

More efficient than ICE vehicles? Sure.

Longer range? No

Convenience? Depends, but, gas takes minutes to fill up and there are probably a thousand to one more gas stations than charging stations around Murica'.