E92 M3 runs 11s with just bolt ons...

[Vogz]

Ricky, I guess the question is: Why did you post this video? Do you think you need to prove to us what your car is supposedly capable of?

Why didn't you just buy some sticky tires a few months ago and SHOW us what your car is capable of? It's not like you were strapped for cash.

 

[Turk]

I posted it just to post it. Quickest bolt on M3 in the country right now. Why do people post any car videos?

 

[Vogz]

You've never had a good run against me on my 475whp tune. The times we ran in the past I was on the 430whp "conservative" tune.

Ok well I was pulling on you hard when you ran Ricky and I was the camera car behind.

Besides, I put buslengths on you with my car around 460whp when you were @ 430whp. You really think an extra 35whp is going to significantly change that outcome?

Furthermore, you were afraid to run me all summer. Every time I wanted to line up with you, you backed down, bitching about tickets.

 

[Vogz]

I posted it just to post it. Quickest bolt on M3 in the country right now. Why do people post any car videos?

Plus it's a DCT which can shift faster than you with a weight reduction and a perfect day.

So how again are you going to trap 118 with slower shifts, more weight and most likely worse conditions?

 

[jason05gt]

Ricky, this car has a couple of minor differences. I don't have the gear ratios in front of me, but I'd assume that gears 1-5 in the DCT are more aggressive than the manual. A DCT also shifts extremely quick.

Secondly and more importantly, that guy is using a different tune. That's the GIAC tune that I told you about. You need to dyno your car and make sure that your A/F looks alright. It's really a crapshoot with a "canned" tune.

 

[Turk]

All I said is that on a perfect day, I think my car can trap 118mph. This guy does have a DCT, which shifts faster, but is also 50lbs heavier. He also ran high 119 traps on the same day, so 118 isn't the best that his dct car has done, just the quickest. I already emailed your boys at fall line and they said they'd dyno my car for $250! PUH!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[jason05gt]

Ok well I was pulling on you hard when you ran Ricky and I was the camera car behind.

Besides, I put buslengths on you with my car around 460whp when you were @ 430whp. You really think an extra 35whp is going to significantly change that outcome?

Furthermore, you were afraid to run me all summer. Every time I wanted to line up with you, you backed down, bitching about tickets.

Yes, it's a huge difference since the power under the curve is drastically changed. In some areas, I've got 40 more rwhp and 50 more ft/lbs of tq. At peak, my newer tune makes 43 more ft/lbs of tq to the wheels.

Your car makes more power and weighs less. It SHOULD put buslengths on me.

I'd bet that at your 460 whp power level vs. my 475 whp tune, the winner would be the guy who stole the hit.

 

[jason05gt]

I already emailed your boys at fall line and they said they'd dyno my car for $250! PUH!!!!!!!!!!!

That's a huge rip-off. Take it to Hans at Deans.

 

[Turk]

Yes, it's a huge difference since the power under the curve is drastically changed. In some areas, I've got 40 more rwhp and 50 more ft/lbs of tq. At peak, my newer tune makes 43 more ft/lbs of tq to the wheels.

Your car makes more power and weighs less. It SHOULD put buslengths on me.

I'd bet that at your 460 whp power level vs. my 475 whp tune, the winner would be the guy who stole the hit.

In that case, Vogz would win.

 

[Turk]

That's a huge rip-off. Take it to Hans at Deans.

I know it, wtf.

 

[Fish]

Showing me 3 runs when I've got about 540 timeslips that say it is an old wives tale, not to mention the experience of all the guys I go to the track with, is not going to do much to change the facts.

The only time it holds true is when comparing a bogged run to a run with wheelspin. Clean run vs wheelspin, you're going to trap higher on average with the clean runs. Ask anyone with extensive drag racing experience.

Trap speed is a result of average acceleration over a given distance, since distance is the constant in drag racing. If you accelerate at X rate for 1320 feet, you're going to be going faster at the end than you would be if you accelerate at X rate for only say 1260 feet (such as if you are spinning your tires for the first 60' of the run, during which time you are accelerating at some slower rate). Physics and experience both say it it's an old wives tale.

YOu can show me your manual slips that say it is a wives tail. Ill go show you auto slips that shows it as facts. So you can keep your little tidbits and "extensive drag racing experience" to yourself pumpkin.

 

[Vogz]

I'd bet that at your 460 whp power level vs. my 475 whp tune, the winner would be the guy who stole the hit.

Well I trapped 122mph on 460whp, so that means you'd need to trap that to keep up. PROVE IT.

Heavier car with a weaker torque curve keeping up with a lighter car with a stronger torque curve and very similar top end. RIIIIGHT.

 

[Vogz]

In that case, Vogz would win.

Of course I would....you chase, you race.

 

[Vogz]

YOu can show me your manual slips that say it is a wives tail. Ill go show you auto slips that shows it as facts. So you can keep your little tidbits and "extensive drag racing experience" to yourself pumpkin.

Prove it.

 

[Nealoc187]

YOu can show me your manual slips that say it is a wives tail. Ill go show you auto slips that shows it as facts. So you can keep your little tidbits and "extensive drag racing experience" to yourself pumpkin.

Dispute the physics of it. Seriously, try to prove me wrong. Give it a shot.

 

[Fish]

Ill find the slips when I get home.

However, look at your average 600HP auto Supra. 12s@130MPH and a shitty launch.

 

[Nealoc187]

Ill find the slips when I get home.

However, look at your average 600HP auto Supra. 12s@130MPH and a shitty launch.

what does that prove?

 

[Fish]

what does that prove?

High 60=higher MPH. Exactly what Ive been saying the entire time.

 

[Nealoc187]

High 60=higher MPH. Exactly what Ive been saying the entire time.

Wait, are you serious? How does spitting out a random generic time off the top of your head prove anything?

 

[Turk]

Fish, are you serious? Wow. Supras motors are just a tad different than what we've been talking about here.

 

[Fish]

I just sat there and said "I didnt just say that" when I posted about the supra.

Im definatly batting 1000 here tonight.

Whatev. Im out. You manual fuckers have fun trying to drag race.

 

[jason05gt]

You manual fuckers have fun trying to drag race.

Says the guy who drives a front wheel drive car......

 

[Fish]

Says the guy who drives a front wheel drive car......

It hasnt missed a gear yet though.....

 

[The Broken Regal]

@ all of you

 

[Angus]

It hasnt missed a gear yet though.....

after racing both, drag racing a manual is more fun to me. More area to improve on as a driver. I mean look at Turk and Eagle struggling to drive. I look at it as more of a challenge and therefore makes drag racing more fun...