Anything right of communism is a hate group according to them.
i will agree i don't find the SPLC the most fair arbiter of that.
however i don't find cis trustworthy at all. here is one of i believe several articles cato has done on them, which all seem like legitimate critiques.
https://www.cato.org/blog/cis-exaggerates-cost-immigrant-welfare-use
I will say this. Honestly, I'm a pragmatist and realize that we're not going to export millions of people. It's just reality. That said, don't conflate the idea of tighter, more permanent border controls with amnesty. One should not come without the other, it will just lead to another wave of people coming seeking the next amnesty. It's not like they will have an amnesty and stick out a no vacancy sign.
as the post i just linked to jason shows, i have been advocating for amnesty with tighter borders for over a decade. my opposition to more wall isn't because i don't want a tighter border, it's because i don't believe the costs vs. benefits is going to be anywhere near positive.
i think it will be like some of those protectionist trade policies that happen once in a while to save some type of jobs, which you later can be cost out to something ridiculous, like "hey we saved 300 people's job's at bill's tire manufacturing plant, it only cost consumers and taxpayers $400k per job. boy was that totally worth it!"
If you have a population of millions who are collecting wealth fare they are taking my money. Plain and simple. I am not of a low enough income where I get out more taxes than I put in.
which they don't have easy access to. and that's certainly not why they come. they come for economic opportunity as humans have migrated for forever. as they get integrated into the economy their kids will take less welfare as well as be more entrepreneurial than native citizens as well. i don't feel i get my money's worth out of taxes either, join the club. this isn't the place with the most fat i'd start trimming.
I actually did lawn care at a point in my life, yeah it was only a season but the guy I worked for did not use illegals. You know who consistently under cut him on jobs? Illegals. He's not in that business any more. I mean, I've talked with a yard crew that was getting paid $4-5 an hour, or you'd have a dude who'd bring his whole family in to do landscaping.
I have an in law who did janitorial work. You know who consistently under cut him? Illegals. I mean, to the point he literally walked in on the whole family doing the work one night at a school he was contracted to do stuff at. They had taken over his janitorial work (he was doing floors still) because the rate he was going to get was so low he couldn't afford to do it.
Both were willing to do the job despite claims "no one wants those jobs," but how do you compete with a family of laborers compared to your own labor input or having to pay employees? It was surely against child labor laws, but such laws do not apply when the person is working illegally anyways.
i'm pretty sure if you get reported for having your family at work you're gonna have a bad time. you make it sound like a native born citizen can't compete because every time i see one undercutting a native, i should really be seeing a family of them doing it! you've also presented schrodinger's immigrant, too lazy to work but having an army of even child laborers do work.
what do those guys do now? and i won't argue that illegal immigrant flow can be disruptive, particularly to low and entry skilled jobs, and that's part of the reason why i support a strong border. but that's an entirely separate concept from amnesty or deportation for the people already here and integrated into the economy.
I just did point to the fact that polls can be way off.
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and all i did point to the fact that there is literally nothing anywhere whatsoever supporting your opinion.
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i get it, i'm at work now, i have people who write programs that take 60 minutes in a language they've worked on for years. i rewrite the same programs to take 5 seconds then provide the minor examples of what i changed so that they can apply the practice to their other work. they proceed... to do nothing. we just have different opinions on how to do things man. and all those opinions are of course equal.