Sports 🏎️ Official Formula 1 Thread

[IDAFC21]

They are also throwing in no more direct communication between the team principals and race control.

THATS what should have never been allowed in the first place. None of this would have ever happened.

 

[FirstWorldProblems]

Imo the race director should always make the decision to allow racing to happen if he can, and That’s what masi did. Having the season end behind a safety car would have sucked, but Mercedes’ doesn’t care about what fans want, they wanted every decision to cater to the fact that they chose to stay out on old ass tires. Fuck them

 

[SpeedSpeak2me]

What is triggering a lot of people is that what RB told Masi, something along the lines of “it should be a race” is almost word-for-word what Masi told Wolff after they were pulling in the safety car and he protested.

I would have to find the exact quotes.

 

[SpeedSpeak2me]

Imo the race director should always make the decision to allow racing to happen if he can, and That’s what masi did. Having the season end behind a safety car would have sucked, but Mercedes’ doesn’t care about what fans want, they wanted every decision to cater to the fact that they chose to stay out on old ass tires. Fuck them

Masi uncharacteristically pulled the safety car in early. Take the team names out of it. He also didn’t allow the proper unlapping of the cars, only some of them. That was unfair all on its own.

I agree, finishing under the safety car would have been anticlimactic, but it’s what should have happened.

 

[FirstWorldProblems]

It should be. F1 has gotten far too subjective, the fact that the race director was in hot water for making actual racing happen is pretty messed up

 

[SpeedSpeak2me]

F1-75 revealed a day early:

Ferrari May Have Built The Prettiest Formula One Car Of All Time

The new Ferrari F1-75 looks fantastic because it's such a departure from the expected

jalopnik.com

 

[Mr Baytchos]

Loving the gills on some of these cars

 

[SpeedSpeak2me]

I'm not liking the wheel covers, which they've gone back to. But I do like that the cars are way more streamlined with less aero bits sticking out all over the place.

 

[Jimy Bilmo]

Because they knew that the safety car should have been out longer and the race should have finished behind it. But Masi decided to break the rules, not unlap all the cars, and pulled the safety car in early.

They are also throwing in no more direct communication between the team principals and race control.

This.

The race was going to finish under the safety car or max was going to have to fight through traffic, which likely would have netted Lewis the win.

 

[Stink Star]

This.

The race was going to finish under the safety car or max was going to have to fight through traffic, which likely would have netted Lewis the win.

I want to say I head something about Mercedes’ and Red Bull agreeing before the race that it shouldn’t finish under a safety car

 

[FirstWorldProblems]

 

[Jimy Bilmo]

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Bruh. Lewis dominated that race. Max didn't have the pace. Deep down, you know the way that race ended was fucked up.

 

[FirstWorldProblems]

Bruh. Lewis dominated that race. Max didn't have the pace. Deep down, you know the way that race ended was fucked up.

I'll be honest, I hate how every single call is always in lewis' favor, so I have no sympathy whatsoever that one call allowed for actual racing rather than giving the win to LH under a safety car.

Even in that same race LH cut the entire fucking corner to pass max, got the spot and about a 1 second advantage, and didn't get penalized for it at all. :45 mark in the below vid

 

[Jimy Bilmo]

I'll be honest, I hate how every single call is always in lewis' favor, so I have no sympathy whatsoever that one call allowed for actual racing rather than giving the win to LH under a safety car.

Even in that same race LH cut the entire fucking corner to pass max, got the spot and about a 1 second advantage, and didn't get penalized for it at all. :45 mark in the below vid

Oh I remember. I feel most people focus in on Lewis, and complain about things going his way, but it's similar to the way our MSM targets things. They just push the narrative and everyone follows. I think some of the calls against Lewis and against Max were bullshit, and some things just need to be chalked up as racing. But what about where Max brake checked the shit out of Lewis, as everyone and the mother knew he was going to use that speed trap DRS zone advantage if Lewis were to pass ----- which Lewis never got the call that it was going to happen.

Regardless, I'm all for heavy racing and eliminating a lot of the bullshit penalties and calls. We're finally back in an era of racing that isn't decided by pitstop strategy to win a race, we actually saw some good racing last year. This is why I prefer MotoGP, non-stop action. But last year, F1 finally gave us a bit of that, and I'm curious to see how these cars are going to compare to that. On paper, they're supposed to give us even more quality racing as the turbulent air is supposed to be far less.

 

[FirstWorldProblems]

Oh I remember. I feel most people focus in on Lewis, and complain about things going his way, but it's similar to the way our MSM targets things. They just push the narrative and everyone follows. I think some of the calls against Lewis and against Max were bullshit, and some things just need to be chalked up as racing. But what about where Max brake checked the shit out of Lewis, as everyone and the mother knew he was going to use that speed trap DRS zone advantage if Lewis were to pass ----- which Lewis never got the call that it was going to happen.

Regardless, I'm all for heavy racing and eliminating a lot of the bullshit penalties and calls. We're finally back in an era of racing that isn't decided by pitstop strategy to win a race, we actually saw some good racing last year. This is why I prefer MotoGP, non-stop action. But last year, F1 finally gave us a bit of that, and I'm curious to see how these cars are going to compare to that. On paper, they're supposed to give us even more quality racing as the turbulent air is supposed to be far less.

I agree 100% on motogp being better racing, by far. I hope F1 gets better but seeing Masi get canned for upsetting mercedes doesn't send a great message.

Let's hope the next guy is fair

 

[Jimy Bilmo]

I agree 100% on motogp being better racing, by far. I hope F1 gets better but seeing Masi get canned for upsetting mercedes doesn't send a great message.

Let's hope the next guy is fair

Masi was a twat, and looks funny. We need Kimi in that role.

 

[FirstWorldProblems]

That would be amazing lol

 

[Jimy Bilmo]

"You race now."
"That was a racing incident."
"Where's my fucking ice cream?!"
"bwoh"

 

[Pewter-Camaro]

I want to say I head something about Mercedes’ and Red Bull agreeing before the race that it shouldn’t finish under a safety car

Not just those two. All the teams agreed that they don’t want races to end under a yellow. Its been an unwritten rule for a few years now. Also it’s not mandatory to unlap the cars either and is not clear weather all the cars must be unlaped or not. In the rules it’s all up to the race directors discretion.

I do feel bad for Masi, he was just doing what he could within the rules to have green flag racing finish just like all the teams agreed on. He had a couple minutes to make a decision All while the team principals directly yelling at him demanding what’s best for their team giving him no way to really look at the situation clearly.

 

[Jimy Bilmo]

Not just those two. All the teams agreed that they don’t want races to end under a yellow. Its been an unwritten rule for a few years now. Also it’s not mandatory to unlap the cars either and is not clear weather all the cars must be unlaped or not. In the rules it’s all up to the race directors discretion.

I do feel bad for Masi, he was just doing what he could within the rules to have green flag racing finish just like all the teams agreed on. He had a couple minutes to make a decision All while the team principals directly yelling at him demanding what’s best for their team giving him no way to really look at the situation clearly.

These seem pretty clear cut:

Safety Car rules
Article 48.12 and Article 48.8 of the F1 Sporting Regulations.

Article 48.12 deals with the situation of having backmarkers unlap themselves.

Initially, Masi had been within his rights to state that ‘Lapped Cars will not be allowed to overtake’ - which meant Verstappen would be trapped behind five backmarkers before he could get a run on Hamilton. However, on the penultimate lap, on the run down to Turn 9, Masi sent a message saying that five cars – Lando Norris, Fernando Alonso, Esteban Ocon, Charles Leclerc and Sebastian Vettel could unlap themselves.
The decision to only allow some lapped cars to unlap themselves is unusual as Article 48.12 suggests that the message ‘LAPPED CARS MAY NOW OVERTAKE’ should be sent to all competitors.

The regulation is then explicit about when the race can be restarted.

It states: “Unless the clerk of the course considers the presence of the safety car is still necessary, once the last lapped car has passed the leader the safety car will return to the pits at the end of the following lap.
“If the clerk of the course considers track conditions are unsuitable for overtaking the message "OVERTAKING WILL NOT BE PERMITTED" will be sent to all Competitors via the official messaging system “
This clause suggests that with the lapped car message having come out on lap 57, then the restart could only come at the end of the ‘following lap’- so lap 58, which was the end of the race.

Article 48.8 relates to there being no overtaking behind the safety car.

During the restart phase, as Hamilton and Verstappen prepared to begin racing again, it appeared from the onboard that the Red Bull had briefly nudged ahead of the Mercedes.
The rule states: “no driver may overtake another car on the track, including the safety car, until he passes the Line (see Article 5.3 – which is the safety car line) for the first time after the safety car has returned to the pits.”

 

[SpeedSpeak2me]

Spa “finished” behind the safety car. Masi handed RB and MV a win on that two lap race.

 

[Jimy Bilmo]

Spa “finished” behind the safety car. Masi handed RB and MV a win on that two lap race.

Shhh, they don't like facts around these parts

 

[SpeedSpeak2me]

Well now….

Michael Andretti targets F1 team entry in 2024

Michael Andretti’s desire to add a Formula 1 team to his growing motor racing empire has not diminished. Revealed Friday in a social media post by his father Mario Andretti, the 1978 F1 world champ…

racer.com

 

[SpeedSpeak2me]

The new Merc via George Russell’s Instagram:

 

[IDAFC21]

Man we've come such a long way in the last 8 years.

To think this was actually once a thing. And that was one of the better looking cars in 2014.

Let us never forget the dicknose.