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Old 07-31-2018, 01:46 PM   #1201
 
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Makes car not very happy.

Edit sounds insane but do you have stock manifolds still?


Obviously would make less hp but put them back on and see if sensors are happy?

I highly doubt its crap fuel and you already mentioned you suspect header issue before.

Id hate to see you go down a rabbit hole without addressing the areas of known concern 1st.

i wouldnt be switching to a more expensive fuel until knock sensors were happy 1st. Sure it would drown out knock better but is that really addressing where its coming from? Not really IMO its covering it up.
I don't have them anymore nor am I interested in spending most of a day swapping them out, the expensive gas is because there is no way it could possibly knock on c85 and the set up I have, if it does we know for certin its false he tunes it out and i go on running it with locked timing
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Agreed I just think that switching to C85 is going to confirm what you already know. I doubt that knock will go away on C85 either.

Think its headers?
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yeah probably something exhaust related but it dosent do it as bad on the 79mm pulley, so its either the blower is too noisy on the smaller pulley or something tq's over harder on the smaller pulley or the slight possibility its real, either way Id rather have the good gas if hes turning off the sensors, or maybe i just give up and take it somewhere and let them try and find it I dont have time to tear the car all apart trying to find false knock, ive been over this 20 times last season, the easiest solution seems like put good gas in it de sensitize sensors run 9's I dont care if it pulls timing on the street I cant use all the power anyway
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Funny you mention the blower being too loud. Yolo Aka Alex who works for Lund now just talked about that on a video I just watched last night. He has the red 2015 VMP car with the prototype 2650 on it and he talked about that too but I believe they just desensitized the sensors.

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So I was talking to a tuner that tunes a lot of cars across the country. He said he and other tuners he spoke with all said in the past they never saw knock with good E85. He said they see knock quite often now. After some research, they believe that companies are mixing ethanol with lower grades of fuel. The 15% gasoline could be 87-93 octane. Or other grades of fuel. Say something like naphtha ( I believe it is called) that is used to make diesel fuel.

If this is, in fact, true it is quite concerning. Because now it can test as E85 but not have the same octane rating or properties it had in the past. A car that was tuned safely on E85 might not actually be safe with differently blended E85.
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So I was talking to a tuner that tunes a lot of cars across the country. He said he and other tuners he spoke with all said in the past they never saw knock with good E85. He said they see knock quite often now. After some research, they believe that companies are mixing ethanol with lower grades of fuel. The 15% gasoline could be 87-93 octane. Or other grades of fuel. Say something like naphtha ( I believe it is called) that is used to make diesel fuel.

If this is, in fact, true it is quite concerning. Because now it can test as E85 but not have the same octane rating or properties it had in the past. A car that was tuned safely on E85 might not actually be safe with differently blended E85.
I'm not positive its always been this way but for several years they have been using denaturant also known as natural gasoline for the 15% , this was one of the products we sold from the pipeline I worked at, its possible natural gas is becoming worse but the octane is already very low compared to regular 87 octane, I think its something in the mid 60's most of the time
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That could very well be an issue if denaturant's octane rating is that low.

Sadly, they are probably not worried about the performance uses like we are. If there are no guidelines or laws stating what the fuel can or can't contain, who knows what they would do. I am sure they find a way to save money they would want to pursue it.
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I picked up some c85 have yet to run it but god damn it smells offensive, like straight corn whiskey mixed with some of the strongest smelling race gas I’ve ever ran into, should get some decent data on the way to work tomorrow
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I was an early adopter of E85 back in the early '00s. It's great to a point, but due to the inconsistency and the need for over the top fuel delivery I won't go back. I'd much rather put a second bank of injectors in just for meth any day. I'm playing around with a port meth injection right now (hillbilly style). a little weary of 100% meth because of the low flash point...probably stick with 50/50. Right now just doing a 30/70, but it's working great on 21psi and 15 degrees advance on my 5 series. no major spark corrections. Fun stuff
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I was an early adopter of E85 back in the early '00s. It's great to a point, but due to the inconsistency and the need for over the top fuel delivery I won't go back. I'd much rather put a second bank of injectors in just for meth any day. I'm playing around with a port meth injection right now (hillbilly style). a little weary of 100% meth because of the low flash point...probably stick with 50/50. Right now just doing a 30/70, but it's working great on 21psi and 15 degrees advance on my 5 series. no major spark corrections. Fun stuff
More info pics and explination! A RELIABLE/Consistent option vs. E85 would be killer!

Hell meth is even cheaper per gallon than E85.

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I bought a Snow stage 2 kit, plumbed the underside of my manifold. Not much to see. I have the pump/tank in the trunk.

I have a bit different set-up since I'm direct injected. E85 doesn't cool the incoming charge much, but does take the CC temps down. Injecting meth allows it to cool the air a bit more before the CC, and once it's in the CC does the same thing as E85. Using a 50/50 mix is supposed to be optimal for knock suppression...but I'm doing well with 30/70 (washer fluid)...and it's cheap.
I was naive about the ethanol content when I was using E85. Was always futzing with the tune. I had to switch back to gas after the temps dropped to below 40F, or the car had a really hard time starting. Was thinking of getting a tank warmer for it.

I have a spray and pray set-up, but there are fail-safes out there now to alert of no flow incidents. I have a pump on/and low fluid led right next to my boost gauge. At the small amounts I'm spraying that's good enough for me right now. However, in the N54 world many are putting an injector plate for bosch injectors and a seperate control system to either spray pure methanol or E85 before the head. Mostly because they have underfueling issues...but those are the guys that are making 6-700+ and the fueling is the only limitation over 500hp.

100% methanol would be dangerous for a daily though, flash point is really low (like 140F IIRC)

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Ive been there and done that too . Flex fuel E85 tune over dealing with meth injection hands down. PITA to rely on meth injection system and check meth level all the time
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Ive been there and done that too . Flex fuel E85 tune over dealing with meth injection hands down. PITA to rely on meth injection system and check meth level all the time
Different strokes I guess. I donít use much so topping off the tank when the light comes on is NBD.
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Different strokes I guess. I donít use much so topping off the tank when the light comes on is NBD.
If you're not using it much then what's the point of heaving it? you're pretty much running on regular pump gas most of the time .Like I said before Ive thru both of them too and Ill take flex fuel tune hands down , it wasn't easy to run e85 back in the days but heaving a flex fuel tune these days is awesome. There is no pint to have more crap to go wrong when E85 works better then meth kit
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Hmmm about those dual injected 2018 mustangs that use port and direct injection.......
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I don't think any tuners are sending out flex fuel tunes for boosted Coyotes. I've heard of a few that will do it if they have the car in person, but not an email tune like 95% of Coyote guys are running.
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logged some this morning, pulling timing on the c85 just as much as the e85, replaced the intercooler pump friday night it was starting to die after a year and a half, really not too bad for a bilge pump ive herd of people going through 4-5 a year in cars that see a 1/4 of the street driving mine does
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Ill be honest that pulling timing on even c85 would frustrate me and piss me off.
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Ill be honest that pulling timing on even c85 would frustrate me and piss me off.
its been an issue for a couple years now, I didnt really notice it this year since it makes more power on e85 anyway, its just a couple tune tweeks from my goal anyway ill see what the tuner says monday
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its been an issue for a couple years now, I didnt really notice it this year since it makes more power on e85 anyway, its just a couple tune tweeks from my goal anyway ill see what the tuner says monday
Ohh i realize that car hauls ass and isnt far away from your goal. Just knowing its happening and robbing you of some hp is what would eat at me
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didnt think of this until today but I took the hood insulation off when i put the new vents in, and I can hear the blower scream now around that time is when the false knock got worse, either way the tuner desensitized the sensors today and it should be all good
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didnt think of this until today but I took the hood insulation off when i put the new vents in, and I can hear the blower scream now around that time is when the false knock got worse, either way the tuner desensitized the sensors today and it should be all good
Are you saying removing the hood liner caused the knock to be worse?
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Are you saying removing the hood liner caused the knock to be worse?
it made the blower alot more audible, I think its made it worse but im going to throw it back on and log it again
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Man I'm not sure that's possible. I think it's definitely more audible to you, but those knock sensors sit right under the blower manifold so I don't think they care whether you have a hood liner or not!
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re adjusted the engine mounts to center the motor since the headers are close on both sides, tuner made some adjustments, did some 3rd gear highway pulls on the way to work today and only had a blip of .5 kr at around 5800 rpm, car pulls hard in third with that extra 7* of timing lol should bring my trap back up where it should be, now i just need to find time to go to the track again
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