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Old 03-08-2005, 10:43 AM   #151
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Hi All,

Just finished forming the last two apron trim plates. :-)

Also, we finished modifying the oil filter lower coolant casting. We had to convert the neck from the stock 90 degrees to a straight run in order to clear the alternator. Doing this eliminates the oil cooler so we are going to have to install a remote oil cooler setup.

Oh no... Here comes my brother. I better get back to work.

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As if they would listen to the likes of me.

Actually, I think there is a great deal I could learn from them. I think they could shed some light on a lot of aspects in regard to auto production. Also, I am sure that a lot of decisions made in regard to producing these cars has a bit more to do with ecconomic considerations than they do with the cars overall performance.

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I work at the Chicago Ford assembly plant. I'll let you guys in on some info thats no suprise. Quanity comes first then quality and everything else. It is hard to have 100% quality when you have 49 seconds to put your part in a car and then build over 600 in a shift. Plus you have parts coming from all over the country and Mexico and God knows what places from over seas.
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I work at the Chicago Ford assembly plant. I'll let you guys in on some info thats no suprise. Quanity comes first then quality and everything else. It is hard to have 100% quality when you have 49 seconds to put your part in a car and then build over 600 in a shift. Plus you have parts coming from all over the country and Mexico and God knows what places from over seas.
Hi L,

I think that when you produce anything close to the volume you do, that the "quality" is achieved via the overall process, not any individual task. Everyone has their task, and everyone else relies on everyone else to do what is necessary. All the checks and balances are supposed to hold the entire process together.

It is funny you mention quality. At Zenith, the motto used to be "The quality goes in before the name goes on". Well... The very first step in the assembly process was to affix the nameplate. Go figure.

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Hi All,

Lately, there has been a lot of debate over graphics or no graphics for the final car. I am undecided at this point. Maybe we should just use the badges from the SVT Cobra as we originally planned. Maybe we should use the reverse "C" graphics with the SN65 designation. Maybe we should cave and use the GT stripe with the SN65 designation.

AAAUUUGGGHHH!!!!!

To help resolve this issue, we have decided to hold a graphic design contest. No rules. No regulations. no requirements whatsoever. We don't care if you work up a 3D virtual reality, rotating computer illustration, or scrawl your picture on a napkin at the local dive with a few of your closest friends. Maybe you have no artistic ability at all and just convey your ideas in words alone. We have enough vision to be able to picture what it is you describe.

What is in it for you? Well.... Not much I am afraid. I wish I could offer the winner a scholarship, or free vacation, etc... but, like the rest of you, this wacky hobby has sucked every last loose piece of change out of my pants. With that said. The winner will receive a personalized plaque featuring a signed photo of the finished car, and an unused part off one of the donor cars. Also, you will be given a ride in the finished car, whenever we meet up at an event. Who knows, if you convince us you are a responsible individual, we may even let you drive. Also, the car will be painted with your design and we will give you credit for the design on the display we build for the car.

Just e-mail your entry to [email protected]

I will respond to every entry so that you will know we received it. Also, all designs must be received no later than March 31st, 2005.

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Hi All,

More and more details....

As I have been working on brackets for the front clip, Wayne has been working on finishing the trunk latch, catch and lock setup. We were struggling with the location of the lock and Wayne came up with the following solution (see photos).

Now, we have the lock hidden and we still use the factory fuel door for more than a badge. :-)

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Hi All,

Today, Wayne fabed up the side gas filler door. He had to trial fit the gas tank and the filler neck to get an accurate location. He marked the location of the plastic inner housing on the quarter. He removed the filler neck and the gas tank. He located the center point of the gas door, and drilled the center hole from the inside.

When he walked around to the outside of the car, he noticed that the hole he drilled was within 1/8" of the "X" I drew on the car marking the door location. I told him to trust me next time and he wouldn't have to go through so much work. :-)

Anyway, this is going to be so cool. Wayne ground smooth and flanged the rough cut opening so that the 03 door mounting ring (the part we cut off the Cobra) sits flush with the 65 quarter panel.

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Hi All,

We are planning a get together starting at 8 AM on Saturday April 2nd at Julian's Collision Center located in St Charles IL for a viewing of the SN65 project car.

The car should be in primer at that point giving everybody a real good idea as to how it is going to look at completion.

Come one and all.

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Hi All,

Damn!!!!

I hate it when "real work" interferes with this project.

All we had to do this weekend was finish welding in the cowl and the trim pieces around the passenger and driver side windows. Thatís all. Maybe about 10 man-hours....

Well... The two bodymen (and my brother) who were supposed to help this weekend couldn't because they had to work on customer cars. I hate it when actual paying customers get top priority. Also, I did not get much accomplished because I had to help another paying customer with his 66 coup restoration.

I spent all day yesterday fitting and welding the cowl. That along with reviewing the corporate tax returns of 2 companies took up my entire day.

I did not finish all I needed to before media blasting. The blaster called yesterday to schedule the pick up (they were scheduled to blast the car today) and I had to reschedule because I was not ready. [email protected]$_(*&!!!! Now they will not be able to get to it before the end of the week if I am lucky. Most likely they will be by next Monday to pick it up for blasting on Tuesday.

I am so depressed. :-(

Anyway... Here is a photo of the finished cowl area. Note the open areas around the hood hinge brackets. These areas will be covered by a small plate.

Now I have to get to work. HydroFlo is having project review meetings today and I need to attend. Another day shot to hell due to real work interfering with this project. When will the madness end?

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I can't wait to see this car , I have been part in restorations before,
but nothing like this
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Hi All,

Well, I have a few days to kill before the media blaster can fit me into his schedule. They are currently blasting and coating Garbage trucks, cement mixing trucks and construction trucks as well as misc. heavy metal fabrications.

The coating systems they use are a bit different than those used on a typical production vehicle. They use a number of different self priming high build epoxy. All surfaces are blasted to an SSPC-SP10 near white metal blast and then coated with 12 to 16 mills of self priming epoxy. The coating is VERY durable and has high chemical resistance. If the surface is prepped properly and the coating applied properly, the system is suitable for indefinite submersion in wastewater with a pH of 2.5 to 13 (normal is 7).

Anyway...

Until I get the car back from media blasting we are going to be working on brackets, misc. detail work, etc.... That is when the real fun begins. :-)

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Hi All,

Entries for the graphics contest are rolling in. You only have 14 days left. A lot of good ideas are coming in.

I am looking forward to seeing yours.

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PS: I will be a little bit dissapointed if someone from the Chicago area does not win this. I am going to pick the best design, no matter where the artist is from, but there have got to be some tallented graphic artists in the area. Lets show them what we are capable of. No more of this "Second City" crap. Chicago is #1. Chicago is #1. Chicago is #1. :-)
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Hi All,

I just realized that I did not show you any of the pictures of the finished cowl areas (the areas under the fenders). I am pretty happy with the way they came out. There was a lot of custom forming and fabrication to get the different years to fit together. It seems a shame to cover all this up with the fenders. :-)

Also, you can see the WW setup. The system had better last a while because it is now hermetically sealed.

So without further adieu.....

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Hi All,

This weekend, we installed the Apten aux cooling kit for the blown 4.7. And while the kit looks like it will perform as advertised (improve cooling on the #7 & #8 cylinders) there are a couple of items that could stand a bit of improvement.

When installed, the kit adds another path for the hot water trapped at the back of the driverís side cylinder head. The kit is comprised of a length of hose, 4 hose clamps, a PVC barbed "T" fitting, a set of instructions and the fitting (the same Ford item located at the back of the passenger side cylinder head) which connects the drivers side head to the passenger side head (see the photo).

Before I get into the specific areas of improvement, I just though I would state the following. I was told by Apten that this kit could be installed while the engine was in the car, but the trans would have to be removed. I guess it could be done, but I would not want to fight with the installation of this kit while the engine was in the car. If you doubt me on this one, just look at your engine and imagine attempting to remove the freeze plug at the back of the driverís side head while the engine is in the car. It can be done, but I imagine it would be quite an ordeal. Also, the aluminum heads are quite soft and nicking the inner race while removing the plug is a real possibility.

As far as the actual kit, the first area of improvement would be the assembly instructions. They are very "sparse" giving you the minimum amount of info necessary to complete the job. For example, the molded fitting you have to cut for the insertion of the barbed ďTĒ has a small flow restrictor crimped inside. There is no mention of this item in the instructions and we just disposed of it when we made our cuts. This is just one minor item, but the instructions leave a lot of room for interpretation in many areas. I know that most who will attempt the installation of this kit will have the skills to install it, even if no instructions were included. After all, who reads the instructions anyway?

The second area of improvement would be replacing the PVC barbed "T" fitting with one more suitable for the job. THIS IS BY FAR MY GREATEST CONCERN WITH THE KIT. Schedule 80 PVC is only recommended for service up to 140 degrees F and the engine will reach temps of at least 180 or more. This does not mean that the fitting will fail at 140 degrees, but its life expectancy will be greatly reduced. The material will soften over time and suffer from stress fractures, etc... Also, a single barb instead of the multiple barb fitting supplied will be less prone to leaking in this type of application. We replaced the PVC fitting (about $1.00) with a 316 SS fitting. There were other options. CPVC is good up to 180 (about $2.00). PVDF is good above 200 (about $12.00). Aluminum is available (about $18.00). But we went the indestructible route with the 316SS at $27.00. The 316SS is a bit pricy, but we thought it was money well spent. Especially when considering what you would have to go through if you ever needed to replace this item.

The third area of improvement is in the "Ford" fitting supplied with the kit. It is designed for the passenger side of the car. While it is true that you could install the item just as described in the kit, we made two minor modifications that just seemed to make sense to us. We drilled a hole in the fitting to allow the re-installation of a bracket and also to positively seat the fitting and keep it from possibly working its way free in the future. We then ground off some of the unnecessary area of the tab just because it looked like a more professional installation.

Also, you are going to have to make a modification to your EGR connection. The SS line runs right over the new fitting and is also extremely close to the rubber hose connected at the top. The instructions state to "bend" this line for clearance. We have not "bent" ours yet, because there is a lot of debate as to the best way to do this. I will be posting photos when we complete this section of the installation.

If you make these (or similar) modifications, I am sure you will be happy with the installation. While I think that a company like Apten would supply a more thoroughly engineered product. The peace of mind I now have knowing that I have improved one of my engines problem areas is priceless.

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Hi All,

Well, until I get the car back from the media blaster, I figure I will post some info on areas I have not covered in the past.

I am sure I told you that we had to eliminate the drip rails. I am also sure that I did not fill you in on what we had planned.

I have seen cars with the drip rails removed and, to be totally honest, I really did not like the flat, smoothed, non-descript approach that most people take. What we are doing is a bit different. When the drip rails are removed, there is a formed bead in the surrounding roof and pillar areas. Instead of eliminating this bead, we have actually added material to it in an attempt to simulate the bead that is found around the "C" pillar vents. The bead is just under 1/2" wide and just over 1/8" high. Hopefully, when complete, these details will mirror each other, giving the appearance of an original factory detail.

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Hi All,

Just 7 more days till the end of the design contest. Hope you have your ideas ready to go. Some really great ideas have been rolling in.

Also, the date for the get together / open house is fast approaching. Look forward to seeing you there Sat April 2nd.

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Hi All,

Here is a photo I forgot I took. This was taken as we were getting ready to load the car on the trailer to send off to media blasting.

That is my brother Wayne standing next to the car. The car dosen't look to low, does it? Maybe we went a bit to far. :-)

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have fun getting the plastic pellets out of the car for the next 5 years...

i had my shelby 'water blasted' - instead of sandblasting, its water with some sand in it so it cuts, but doesnt warp.

im still getting sand out of the car and its been nearly 10 years.


better than the chemical dip, at least. ive seen cars where they've come out of the aint booth and most of the way assembled and some chemical stripper ran out of a hole weeks later and lifted the paint. OW thats gotta hurt!
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have fun getting the plastic pellets out of the car for the next 5 years...

i had my shelby 'water blasted' - instead of sandblasting, its water with some sand in it so it cuts, but doesnt warp.

im still getting sand out of the car and its been nearly 10 years.

better than the chemical dip, at least. ive seen cars where they've come out of the aint booth and most of the way assembled and some chemical stripper ran out of a hole weeks later and lifted the paint. OW thats gotta hurt!
Hi SG,

We are going to spend the first day cleaning and blowing, caulking and priming. I have done this before so I know what to expect.

The chemical dip process is both good and bad. It is good because it gets into every seam and lap joint (places media blasting cannot touch). It is bad because it gets into every seam and lap joint and the corrosive materials become part of the car, forever.

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This weekend, we installed the Apten aux cooling kit for the blown 4.7. And while the kit looks like it will perform as advertised (improve cooling on the #7 & #8 cylinders) there are a couple of items that could stand a bit of improvement.

When installed, the kit adds another path for the hot water trapped at the back of the driverís side cylinder head. The kit is comprised of a length of hose, 4 hose clamps, a PVC barbed "T" fitting, a set of instructions and the fitting (the same Ford item located at the back of the passenger side cylinder head) which connects the drivers side head to the passenger side head (see the photo).

Before I get into the specific areas of improvement, I just though I would state the following. I was told by Apten that this kit could be installed while the engine was in the car, but the trans would have to be removed. I guess it could be done, but I would not want to fight with the installation of this kit while the engine was in the car. If you doubt me on this one, just look at your engine and imagine attempting to remove the freeze plug at the back of the driverís side head while the engine is in the car. It can be done, but I imagine it would be quite an ordeal. Also, the aluminum heads are quite soft and nicking the inner race while removing the plug is a real possibility.

As far as the actual kit, the first area of improvement would be the assembly instructions. They are very "sparse" giving you the minimum amount of info necessary to complete the job. For example, the molded fitting you have to cut for the insertion of the barbed ďTĒ has a small flow restrictor crimped inside. There is no mention of this item in the instructions and we just disposed of it when we made our cuts. This is just one minor item, but the instructions leave a lot of room for interpretation in many areas. I know that most who will attempt the installation of this kit will have the skills to install it, even if no instructions were included. After all, who reads the instructions anyway?

The second area of improvement would be replacing the PVC barbed "T" fitting with one more suitable for the job. THIS IS BY FAR MY GREATEST CONCERN WITH THE KIT. Schedule 80 PVC is only recommended for service up to 140 degrees F and the engine will reach temps of at least 180 or more. This does not mean that the fitting will fail at 140 degrees, but its life expectancy will be greatly reduced. The material will soften over time and suffer from stress fractures, etc... Also, a single barb instead of the multiple barb fitting supplied will be less prone to leaking in this type of application. We replaced the PVC fitting (about $1.00) with a 316 SS fitting. There were other options. CPVC is good up to 180 (about $2.00). PVDF is good above 200 (about $12.00). Aluminum is available (about $18.00). But we went the indestructible route with the 316SS at $27.00. The 316SS is a bit pricy, but we thought it was money well spent. Especially when considering what you would have to go through if you ever needed to replace this item.

The third area of improvement is in the "Ford" fitting supplied with the kit. It is designed for the passenger side of the car. While it is true that you could install the item just as described in the kit, we made two minor modifications that just seemed to make sense to us. We drilled a hole in the fitting to allow the re-installation of a bracket and also to positively seat the fitting and keep it from possibly working its way free in the future. We then ground off some of the unnecessary area of the tab just because it looked like a more professional installation.

Also, you are going to have to make a modification to your EGR connection. The SS line runs right over the new fitting and is also extremely close to the rubber hose connected at the top. The instructions state to "bend" this line for clearance. We have not "bent" ours yet, because there is a lot of debate as to the best way to do this. I will be posting photos when we complete this section of the installation.

If you make these (or similar) modifications, I am sure you will be happy with the installation. While I think that a company like Apten would supply a more thoroughly engineered product. The peace of mind I now have knowing that I have improved one of my engines problem areas is priceless.

Catch you all later.

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I thought you were overthinking this mod?

You sure gave me a hard time on SVTP.

A Tee fitting? What about a Y?

Wondering how the heater core hose is gonna fit after its back in the car? Above the burp plug?

Let me know how the EGR tube bending goes. Would ya???...............Lyle
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You sure gave me a hard time on SVTP.

A Tee fitting? What about a Y?

Wondering how the heater core hose is gonna fit after its back in the car? Above the burp plug?

Let me know how the EGR tube bending goes. Would ya???...............Lyle
Hi L,

Damn!! How did you find me!!! I did not know you frequented this site. I guess I will have to find another hiding spot.

You are right. I am over thinking this mod.

Still... That being the case, I am still thinking about it.

I hope you did not think I was giving you a hard time on purpose. I really was just trying to figure out (in my ever so warped imagination) the best way to solve this issue. Also, I stopped installing the Apten kit and am still kicking around different plumbing configurations. I will let you know what I finally come up with as a solution.

If I do decide to bend the EGR tube, I will not just be giving it a little tweak. I will be bending it in a manner that will move it a good distance away from the water lines. Bending it does scare me a bit, but WTF, if I screw it up, I will just have my brother buy me a new one.

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Damn!! How did you find me!!! I did not know you frequented this site. I guess I will have to find another hiding spot.

You are right. I am over thinking this mod.

Still... That being the case, I am still thinking about it.

I hope you did not think I was giving you a hard time on purpose. I really was just trying to figure out (in my ever so warped imagination) the best way to solve this issue. Also, I stopped installing the Apten kit and am still kicking around different plumbing configurations. I will let you know what I finally come up with as a solution.

If I do decide to bend the EGR tube, I will not just be giving it a little tweak. I will be bending it in a manner that will move it a good distance away from the water lines. Bending it does scare me a bit, but WTF, if I screw it up, I will just have my brother buy me a new one.

Catch you later.

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The difficult bending of the EGR tube is one of the main reasons that Lyle, Dan, and I built the LDC Chicago kit. We went through the same questions you are talking about now and developed the kit to solve most of the problems we saw with other kit.

Since you bought the Apten kit, I assume you now think the mod is worthwhile even though you were questioning it on SVTP. Think about it, when you add in the cost of the "T" fitting you bought, you are close to the price of our kit. The LDC Chicago kit is, in my opinion, the best available kit on the market today. Here's a link to a comparison between the two kits that the owner of SoCalTerminators wrote up. He added $5 to the difference in prices of the kits but other than that, it's a very informative write up. http://www.socalterminators.com/ldc/index.html

Also, there is some discussion on whether removing the restrictor in the hose is a good idea. Supposedly, it protects the heater core from coolant surges. Our instructions mention this and discuss the various options.

You should be able to install the kit with the trans out and engine in. I know you can with our kit because we've done it several times during testing. MyticTerminator[Vince] also installed the kit on his car with the trans out and engine in with no difficulty. Good luck with the Apten kit and please post your experiences with the EGR tube bending either good or bad on SVTP.

Edit-p.s. I'm a moderator on this site. Lyle, Dana, and I are all from Chicago.
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The difficult bending of the EGR tube is one of the main reasons that Lyle, Dan, and I built the LDC Chicago kit. We went through the same questions you are talking about now and developed the kit to solve most of the problems we saw with other kit.

Since you bought the Apten kit, I assume you now think the mod is worthwhile even though you were questioning it on SVTP. Think about it, when you add in the cost of the "T" fitting you bought, you are close to the price of our kit. The LDC Chicago kit is, in my opinion, the best available kit on the market today. Here's a link to a comparison between the two kits that the owner of SoCalTerminators wrote up. He added $5 to the difference in prices of the kits but other than that, it's a very informative write up. http://www.socalterminators.com/ldc/index.html

Also, there is some discussion on whether removing the restrictor in the hose is a good idea. Supposedly, it protects the heater core from coolant surges. Our instructions mention this and discuss the various options.

You should be able to install the kit with the trans out and engine in. I know you can with our kit because we've done it several times during testing. MyticTerminator[Vince] also installed the kit on his car with the trans out and engine in with no difficulty. Good luck with the Apten kit and please post your experiences with the EGR tube bending either good or bad on SVTP.

Edit-p.s. I'm a moderator on this site. Lyle, Dana, and I are all from Chicago.
Hi FHA,

I actually bought the Apten kit before I posted any questions on SVTP. It was their questionable engineering that led me to research the issue. I posted the problems I was having with the kit and I started receiving links to the SCTP thread on your kit.

I have to admit that the LDC Chicago kit is a more thoroughly engineered package than that supplied by Apten. In fact, anyone who installs the Apten kit without modification is just asking for trouble.

I was reviewing the installation with Earl (our shop foreman) and my brother Wayne and they are pushing me to scrap the Apten kit and order one of LDC Chicago's. They say that this is something we do not want to skimp on at this point. They also say "Stop over thinking this mod".

So....

How much is it? How fast can I get it? Do you take Visa?

Catch you later.

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PS: How about if you and your buddies bring a kit by next Saturday to our open house. I would love to meet all of you. We can talk about the delta P across the branch line of a "T" fitting verses that of a "Y".
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Hi All,

Just talked to the media blaster and we can pick the car up Monday.

Woo Hoo!!!

We will blow the media out, and mount the beast on the rotisserie. We should have the car in primer in time for the Saturday open house / get-2-gether. If we are lucky, we may have the chassis and the interior painted ready for assembly to begin.

I am excited about the open house / get-2-gether. We are looking forward to finally meeting a lot of the people we have made friends with over the past 6 months.

Hope to see you there.

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Hi FHA,

I actually bought the Apten kit before I posted any questions on SVTP. It was their questionable engineering that led me to research the issue. I posted the problems I was having with the kit and I started receiving links to the SCTP thread on your kit.

I have to admit that the LDC Chicago kit is a more thoroughly engineered package than that supplied by Apten. In fact, anyone who installs the Apten kit without modification is just asking for trouble.

I was reviewing the installation with Earl (our shop foreman) and my brother Wayne and they are pushing me to scrap the Apten kit and order one of LDC Chicago's. They say that this is something we do not want to skimp on at this point. They also say "Stop over thinking this mod".

So....

How much is it? How fast can I get it? Do you take Visa?

Catch you later.

SN65
Come see this WIP at
Julian's Collision Center
http://www.julianscollisioncenter.com

PS: How about if you and your buddies bring a kit by next Saturday to our open house. I would love to meet all of you. We can talk about the delta P across the branch line of a "T" fitting verses that of a "Y".

Hi SN65,

Sorry to take so long to see this. We were at the dyno day yesterday and away from our computers. I just spent a while skimming through this thread and I now understand how thoroughly you think about each part you are buying/manufacturing for your car. Truly one of the most ambitious projects I've ever seen. I can't wait to see the finished product. Keep in mind that our kit has been built and tested on late model Cobras so I'm not sure what kind of fitment issues you might have. I think it will fit OK [should be much better than the Apten fit] but I am not positive. You can probably get a better idea from looking at our pics in the review section here and on Mod Fords or SVT Performance.

Here's the pricing info:

We are taking PayPal at the moment. Down the road we will have a website and credit card sales. For now, PayPal is easier. If you haven't used PayPal before, go to www.PayPal.com and sign up with a credit card. It only takes a few minutes. The kit is $149.95 through the end of March. After April 1st it goes up to the regular price of $159.95. There is also a $20 core charge which we will send back if you send us the stock passenger fitting. $10 shipping and handling and Illinois sales tax of 6.5%.

$149.95 intro sale price
$ 20.00 core charge [returned when you send us the stock fitting]
$ 10.00 UPS Ground shipping and handling
$ 9.75 Illinois sales tax.
$189.70 Total

I'm working next weekend so I can't make it to your open house. If you get out around Frankfort [far south suburbs], I could give you a kit in person and save you the shipping cost. If you want a kit and can't get to the south suburbs, please PayPal the total to [email protected] and I will ship one to you. If you have any questions, you can e-mail that same address or PM me here or on the other sites. Thanks! Good luck with the SN65.

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