The Supra will debut in March

[Rent Free]

An Ecoboost Mustang is not 3200 pounds. They are like 3550 pounds and higher. So you can't say the same about the Ecoboost. haha

Unless it gets a killer trans like the new mustangs it wont matter.

400 hp minimum or it wont sell worth a shit.

 

[Rent Free]

2018 Camaro V6 1LE is less than 3500 pounds and would eat its lunch for less money too.

All im saying is despite you claiming it not being aimed at or a direct competitor for the Mustang or Camaro both offer some serious value for the money.

I dont see anyone beating either performance per dollar period.

 

[95SC]

If they want to name this car Supra it better have 500+hp otherwise it's a waste of Supra name

 

[Rent Free]

If they want to name this car Supra it better have 500+hp otherwise it's a waste of Supra name

Settle down i think 400 will be hard enough to reach

 

[Pressure Ratio]

But still 300lbs worth 2X the price? You're selling a name badge at that point.

I'm not saying it will be twice the car. I don't think people looking at one will be cross shopping a Mustang or Camaro either. And who knows, the Supra might suck. We will have to wait and see.

Unless it gets a killer trans like the new mustangs it wont matter.

400 hp minimum or it wont sell worth a shit.

Says who? You?

The BRZ makes small power I see them everywhere. More so than power is why people buy cars.


And by killer trans I hope you are referring to the A10 and not the MT-82. lmfao

2018 Camaro V6 1LE is less than 3500 pounds and would eat its lunch for less money too.

You must have all kinds of inside info to the Supra to say that. Please share with the rest of us.

 

[Rent Free]

I'm not saying it will be twice the car. I don't think people looking at one will be cross shopping a Mustang or Camaro either. And who knows, the Supra might suck. We will have to wait and see.

Says who? You?

The BRZ makes small power I see them everywhere. More so than power is why people buy cars.

And by killer trans I hope you are referring to the A10 and not the MT-82. lmfao

You must have all kinds of inside info to the Supra to say that. Please share with the rest of us.

People NOT willing to cross shop a Camaro / Mustang are retarded given their performance per dollar.

I see more fucking hellcats driving around than BRZs Horsepower sells period.

Of course i meant A10 sorry i didnt use a coloring crayon for you.

All kinds of insider info? Ill claim to be just as much as an "expert" as you....

 

[Pressure Ratio]

All im saying is despite you claiming it not being aimed at or a direct competitor for the Mustang or Camaro both offer some serious value for the money.

I dont see anyone beating either performance per dollar period.

The Mustang and Camaro do offer good performance for the money spent. No doubt.

 

[Pressure Ratio]

Of course i meant A10 sorry i didnt use a coloring crayon for you.

I figured you meant the A10. Because we're pretty sure the only stick you could handle on on a video game controller. Oh snap! haha

The fact the Supra will not have a manual trans is troubling to me. But Porsche wanted to drop the stick. I can see fewer and fewer cars being optioned without a manual trans. Kind of sad to think of that being the case.

But if there is no plan for a manual trans for the Supra, what is their target buyer? Maybe it is someone who buys on looks and brand name versus track prowess. I guess we will have to wait and see. I just hope there are a ton of different levels of the car from mild to wild. Not sure wild will include a lot of power though.

 

[Rent Free]

You can fondle a shifter all you want just like your boyfriend. Just dont gag on it.

Ill stick with auto is bestest auto is fastest.

And agreed it will need multiple trim levels to be remotely decent even from a sales point of view.

 

[Thirdgen89GTA]

This would be PATHETIC imo.

https://blog.caranddriver.com/industrious-supranauts-uncover-jdm-toyota-supra-specifications/

The it's price point is shot IMO. The Supra should be competing against Mustang/Camaro. Not M4 engine for probably more than M4 money

When I think Supra I sure don't think Camaro & Mustang.

The last couple generations of Supra were a lot more than the Mustang of the Era. I just looked up a 1998 Supra. The most extensive one started at $41K. It said the most expensive Mustang was a 1998 SVT Cobra cvt at $28.5K. Even the earlier 1993 Supra was $34K versus the 1993 GT cvt at $21K. A 1993 Cobra was only $18.5K. The Supra was not a direct competitor then and I don't think they intend it to be now.

The Supra has never occupied the same price point as the Camaro and Mustang (except may be specialties like the Cobra R and now GT350R).

And at the time GM really didn't have a UberCamaro.

Gotta remember that the Mk4 Supra, Mitsu 3000GT VR4, and RX7 were 40k to 50K for top tier versions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oJHwyFoenc

Camaro's and Mustangs were WAY less, closer to half that price. The closest things GM had would be the GNX, 89 Turbo TransAM, and 91-92 SLP Firehawk.

That said, GM has done wonders with the 6th gen chassis. The V6 1LE is phenomenal by all accounts, only lacking in straight line punch, but they make a V8 version for that.

 

[IDAFC21]

I have a hard time believing BMW would let this thing outshine anything in its lineup.

 

[Pressure Ratio]

They will have their own version of this chassis/engine as well. The Z4.

 

[Mr_Roboto]

The Supra has never occupied the same price point as the Camaro and Mustang (except may be specialties like the Cobra R and now GT350R).

And at the time GM really didn't have a UberCamaro.

Gotta remember that the Mk4 Supra, Mitsu 3000GT VR4, and RX7 were 40k to 50K for top tier versions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oJHwyFoenc

Camaro's and Mustangs were WAY less, closer to half that price. The closest things GM had would be the GNX, 89 Turbo TransAM, and 91-92 SLP Firehawk.

That said, GM has done wonders with the 6th gen chassis. The V6 1LE is phenomenal by all accounts, only lacking in straight line punch, but they make a V8 version for that.

You forgot the Sy/Tys. They were $$$$$$.

That said, I almost think it's stupid of them to make this car. Call it something else. It's going to be like the GTO, no matter how good it is a let down.

 

[2QuikTA]

I’m not up to date on my Supra fanboyism, did the earlier ones use a Toyota engine? I’m disappointed an iconic Asian nameplate is shipping with a German engine.

 

[Mr_Roboto]

I’m not up to date on my Supra fanboyism, did the earlier ones use a Toyota engine? I’m disappointed an iconic Asian nameplate is shipping with a German engine.

Yeah, the 2JZ was a Toyota Engine. That said, I wonder if their stable was a bit thin on inline 6es. They have largely gone away.

 

[Yaj Yak]

I think i just liked the most [MENTION=2612]Pressure Ratio[/MENTION] posts in one thread ever

 

[Yaj Yak]

what ive learned from this thread.

if a car isn't cheaper than a new mustang and doesn't have similar horsepowers to a new mustang, no matter ANYTHING else... it's fucking SHIT

 

[RICH17]

When I think Supra I sure don't think Camaro & Mustang.

The last couple generations of Supra were a lot more than the Mustang of the Era. I just looked up a 1998 Supra. The most extensive one started at $41K. It said the most expensive Mustang was a 1998 SVT Cobra cvt at $28.5K. Even the earlier 1993 Supra was $34K versus the 1993 GT cvt at $21K. A 1993 Cobra was only $18.5K. The Supra was not a direct competitor then and I don't think they intend it to be now.

The Supra has never occupied the same price point as the Camaro and Mustang (except may be specialties like the Cobra R and now GT350R).

And at the time GM really didn't have a UberCamaro.

Gotta remember that the Mk4 Supra, Mitsu 3000GT VR4, and RX7 were 40k to 50K for top tier versions.



Camaro's and Mustangs were WAY less, closer to half that price. The closest things GM had would be the GNX, 89 Turbo TransAM, and 91-92 SLP Firehawk.

That said, GM has done wonders with the 6th gen chassis. The V6 1LE is phenomenal by all accounts, only lacking in straight line punch, but they make a V8 version for that.

You guys are talking about a car from 20 years ago. When the American offerings were SHIT in the day. IMO. Compared to the Japan cars of the time

what ive learned from this thread.

if a car isn't cheaper than a new mustang and doesn't have similar horsepowers to a new mustang, no matter ANYTHING else... it's fucking SHIT

My point was more that the Mustang and Camaro are such a bargain per price that it would be silly on toyota's part to not have a car that is on par with them for the same amount of money.

Take a GTR for example. It blew them away when it came out and became a fan boy craze. I want that for the Supra.

 

[RICH17]

PS I'm tired and cranky and probably not explaining myself correctly

 

[Yaj Yak]

RICH17WEDNESDAYSCOMMENCE

 

[Pressure Ratio]

I think i just liked the most [MENTION=2612]Pressure Ratio[/MENTION] posts in one thread ever

 

[Chet Donnelly]

I don't know why...but I just assumed this thing was going to be a Nissan GTR type competitor.

If this thing is under 400hp and the same price of a Mustang/Camaro....I think it flops. Few fanboi's will buy it right away, but don't see that appealing to the masses.

 

[The Beast]

I don't know why...but I just assumed this thing was going to be a Nissan GTR type competitor.

If this thing is under 400hp and the same price of a Mustang/Camaro....I think it flops. Few fanboi's will buy it right away, but don't see that appealing to the masses.

I was hoping it would compete against the gtr also. This sucks if it will have 400hp

 

[willizm]

I mean, inst' this a very Toyota thing to do? Are we really that surprised?

 

[Grabber]

I was pumped for the return of the Supra.

However, the old Turbo models were 320HP. 20 years later, they get an 80HP bump?

Doesn't seem like much. Unless this thing weighs 3,000LBS, I don't see it beating much of the competition, especially the 6th gen Camaro that can run 11's stock and is priced around 40K

Let's see what happens on the debut.