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TIG welding - my journey begins

Eagle

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Welp.

I did a thing a bought a Hobart 165 TIG welder to perform a fix on a snowmobile.

Got a killer deal on the machine, tank, regulator, pedal, hand controls, rods for steel and alum, misc collets, etc...

Next, I need to run the necessary electric to the garage, practice a ton, then try to fix this sled!

I'll keep updates going here...



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Going to start by studying a lot... I have welded stick and MIG in the past, but I'm not fooling myself here. I'm treating TIG as a totally new experience. Thus, I've watched a few TIG videos (to get the proper youtube education). Next up, I'll be pulling together all the scrap alum in my garage and starting to practice on scraps. Then I need to figure out how to best prep the areas requiring repair, and finally... test my skills. Should be fun!

PS - anyone with TIG skills, feel free to chime in with any pointers, tips, tricks or study materials you would suggest.

ALSO - feel free to post sexy TIG welded projects for inspiration.
 
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Tig welding is intimidating because you have to focus on 3 different things at the same time, BUT the more you get used to it, it's like driving manual in a car. Your muscle memory starts to kick in and you are more able to focus on the penetration and not the pedal or the rod. We have union welders here so I don't get to do a lot of welding, so every time I'm away from it for 2-3 months there is a whole learning curve to get used to it again. I would say it is similar to getting into someone else's car and learning where the clutch engages and how the shifter feels for an example, but once you get it you just cruise along.

Another tip some people pass over is to get used to a convenient way to add wire, some guys are able to just feed it right in with their thumb, but I took on a bad habit of just moving my hand which gets closer and closer to the weld, then I have to stop and re-grab the wire. It's super annoying and I cannot get used to doing it the right way, I end up just focusing on that and ruin everything.
 
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Definitely check out welding tips and tricks on youtube and podcasts. Jodie is a good guy over there. Going to Fabtech in a couple weeks to hang with him and JD from Apexish on IG Tuesday at the ESAB booth. Free beer and apps I guess.
 

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Cover up... Last time I TIG welded was when I worked at the slaughterhouse (everything was stainless and TIG'ed) I forgot that I had the top button undone on my work shirt and had a sunburned to shit triangle just below my neck. :bowrofl:

I have done TIG and ARC, but never MIG. I have a MIG now that I need to get gas for and practice with myself.

My suggestion is to always make sure you have a good tip on the tungsten rod, I think they even have special grinders for it now if Im not mistaken.
 
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Couple of newbie tips as I'm still learning to TiG myself.

Use the right tungsten tip for what your welding, ie mild steel, stainless, aluminum. Obviously same said for the wire.

Get used to using the pedal to ramp up and down, this is key for welding different thickness materials and getting that proper penetration. I started off with the button on the torch with the welder set to a fix power setting and couldn't figure out what everything welded like garbage. Switched to using the pedal and learning how to ramp up/down with different thickness and made a huge difference.

Always clean your tungsten tip with a clean stone and only use that stone for the same tungsten rod. The key to TiG welding is keeping everything 100% clean. If you use a sharpening stone for other things it will only contaminate what your working with. Not getting clean welds will compromise the weld strength.

Same for your material your welding, everything should be mechanically cleaned (ie sanded), you can use chemicals but beware of what your using. Once you start welding that metal your effectively burning that chemical off and there can be dangerous fumes released that can damage your lungs or kill you!

*edit*

Yes use all the safety materials, get a good hood that has a quick shielding ramp. Spend money on good gloves, you need gloves that allow your fingers to move dexterously. Get yourself a few long sleeve welding shirts or leather apron's. You need to protect your skin not only from the heat but the UV when welding. If and when your welding on something that requires long beads you'll need protection on your forearms and wrists from the heat.
 
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99% of what I dig weld is aluminum. Self taught. Started with the same machine (Miller Diversion 180) basically
The foot pedal is crap but it works. A nice SSC pedal is better and I'm good with those guys if you need a deal

Tips..
Just use a 3/32 tungsten for the time being. Pick a color and have at it. Don't get too lost in the shuffle of different flavors, diameters etc etc.
3/32 is a great all around size and go with 2% lanthanted (blue) or 2% thoriated (red also radioactive so people shy away from it) or some LaYzr (CK worldwide brand, green) or whatever as long as it's not Pure (green) tungsten. Quality of tungsten is important here. Cheap ones are just that, cheap shit and will deform. Ah shit I have some 3/32 blue weldporn laying around if you want. I also have tons of scrap aluminum that come off the cnc plasma.
A gas lens kit will be your friend. Tons of different kinds. Just anything that fits a 17/18/26 torch will do you fine. Stubby gas lens are what I like but they don't fit a full 7" tungsten. Or just stick to regular cups/collets for the time being. Nothing wrong with them either.

Cup size. Everything is in 1/16th of an inch. So #8 cup is 1/2" or 8/16. #5 is 5/16.
Tungsten stick out. Stick out about half the diameter of the cup is the general rule but you can do the diameter of the cup. If you start to see brown or black shit you don't have good enough gas coverage

Gas coverage: good rule of thumb. x2 of cup size. so #8 cup = 15cfh (12-15 is good, so you can always go a little less but again this is just a general rule of thumb to get you in the ball park)

Helmet: I dont care what helmet you got it's probably not great. You get one set of eyes. Spend money on them. Literally night and day difference. If you need to borrow or buy one I have 5 of them. Mostly the ones I use are a 1/1/1/1 or 1/1/1/2 rating. I use a Optrel Vega View 2.5 which is a few years old but still awesome. A shit helmet makes for a bad experience, it's like driving at night with fog lights when you want low or high beams on.


Cleaning:
Be careful of any chemical you use. DO NOT USE BRAKE CLEAN. Yes there are some safe ones but just stay away from it all together unless you have a death wish.
Acetone in a spray bottle and some lint free rags. A wire brush for just aluminum, one for just steel and one for just stainless.

Practice: Practice practice practice is all it is. Do dry runs. You need to worry about torch angle, speed, dipping filler. Don't get hung up on trying to feed filler with one hand like they tell you you need to. You can choke up on it and dap as needed. I like that better than feeding it as I weld.


Aluminum: by far my favorite to weld. It's more picky with gas flow. 4043 is a go to rod. 5356 is a great rod but has some magnesium in it so if you see it turn green as you dip that's normal. With aluminum smash the fucking pedal hard until it puddles then back off a little, dab n move. very picky on how clean it is.

Steel: needs less heat. Sometimes it flows well and sometimes its shit. mill scale makes it flow well but you need to get that shit off.

General rule of thumb: 1 amp for every .001 thickness. so 1/8" thick is .125 or 125amps. Again general rule of thumb. If steel I would use 125amps if aluminum I always add more. I weld a lot of 1/8" aluminum and have my machine set at 160amps. Always have extra power available if needed.

Don't be scared. Always hook up the ground. Or the HF shock is a bitch. Don't let your arms sweat while you weld and touch the table. That shocks like a bitch too.

Torch angle: Ideally in a perfect work having the torch perpendicular to the work piece is best as you get best gas coverage but it's not realistic. So angle it back a little, maybe a little less than a pencil. Now put the filler in the other hand. The angle these two should make is 90*. Too much torch lean and you are spitting a large flame. Torch distance to work piece (aka voltage) should be about 1/16th - 1/8 to get started. Practice keeping this distance constant is very important. The further away the torch is the more voltage, the closer the less. I like mine really close where it's about 10v. Your machine display don't tell you. If you get stuck, get off the pedal, rock the torch until it breaks and clean it.

Tungsten grinders are amazing but not needed. It's a nice luxury for sure.
Practice running bead after bead on a plate. One or two beads then stop. As the base metal heats up the bead consistency will change and you will need less amperage. So a few beads, grab it with pliers and dunk it in a bucket of water. Blow it off with compressed air until dry and do again. I used to get bar stock and just cut them into 4" sections and have a lot at the table sitting here. Weld them in pairs, then stick them together and so on.

Lots of people say aluminum is harder than steel to learn. Personally I thought it was easier. Fast paced yes, but less time to think and just move.

Sadly you can't control post flow on your machine. I'd figure out a way to build in a timer. One guy on youtube did it with his Lincoln square wave 200. At max amps that thing is going to piss out about 17 seconds of argon EVERY time you hit the pedal. So keep the bottle close or do a timer because the cost of argon will add up.

Let me know if you need any help.

BTW haven't welded in a little, these pics are all I had on my phone
More pics on my IG: instagram.com/gamblegarage

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Only thing I disagree with in prior posts ....for aluminum use 1/8 green pure with 6063 filler for 99% of what a hobbyist will need
WTF are you talking about?
You can't buy 6063 as a filler because it would make a horrible filler.
4043, 5456, 4943 those are filler rods.
6061, 6063, 3003, 5052 those are base metals.
Green pure tungsten is for transformer welders ONLY, not inverters. The Hobart Ez165 is a inverter. Additionally green/pure tungsten sucks dick regardless of what welder you are using.
 

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I also have to agree that aluminum is easier to weld than steel. I was told over and over to not even attempt aluminum until I had mastered steel. Terrible advice.

I make sure I write on my wire brushes what they are for so I don't get them mixed up.


My biggest help was ditching the cheap pedal the machine came with and buying a better one. Such a huge difference in control.
 

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I also have to agree that aluminum is easier to weld than steel. I was told over and over to not even attempt aluminum until I had mastered steel. Terrible advice.

I make sure I write on my wire brushes what they are for so I don't get them mixed up.


My biggest help was ditching the cheap pedal the machine came with and buying a better one. Such a huge difference in control.
I don't even use a wire brush anymore. I cnc plasma all my stuff and then flap disc it then weld. Sometimes a hand file.
I haven't used a wire brush or acetone in years.....but don't do what I do :p
 
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Love the advice here! I need to master ALUMINUM first because I need to perform that repair!

My plan right now is... lift the sled by the rear bumper to a lift in the ceiling (so its nose down).

flap disc the damaged areas to grind them down to as uniform surface as I can, then clean them with wire, then acetone.

I *think* the coolant will all run towards the ground, leaving air in the highest point of the coolant passages which will be that cross over pipe. Not sure I want to drain it... although I probably NEED to. Thoughts?

From there, I will probably say a few prayers and start filling.
 

Gamble

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Love the advice here! I need to master ALUMINUM first because I need to perform that repair!

My plan right now is... lift the sled by the rear bumper to a lift in the ceiling (so its nose down).

flap disc the damaged areas to grind them down to as uniform surface as I can, then clean them with wire, then acetone.

I *think* the coolant will all run towards the ground, leaving air in the highest point of the coolant passages which will be that cross over pipe. Not sure I want to drain it... although I probably NEED to. Thoughts?

From there, I will probably say a few prayers and start filling.
I would advise against grinding down aluminum welds as the strength is on the bead itself.
if you are referring to grinding a crack you need to drill holes at the end of each crack so it doesn’t spread further
Have fun
 
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