One neat trick to totaling your exotic car (number 4 is like woah!)

Mike K

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So I've have had my i8 for a little over two years now. It's my first big "exotic" and yes I use the word exotic loosely here but whatever. Over the years I've wondered if I should upgrade to an F430, an LP570-2 or even a newer NSX. Ultimately I find that nothing matches the performance per dollar of the i8 and I end up keeping it. I love this car. It gets so much hate for no reason. But I digress.

I've had a drivetrain whine since I got it. It would increase with speed, wouldn't increase in turns, and seemed to keep getting progressively louder. I had mis-matched tires on the car and assumed they were just wearing poorly. So last week I went out and put a new set of Pilot Sport 4S's on the car only to immediately notice that the noise wasn't at all better. Ooof. No big deal. I have an aftermarket warranty that came with the car and I haven't touched it in two years. I take the car to BMW and let them know what the issue is. That night they send me a video.

The tech goes over some basic stuff like tread depth and brake pad life and then moves on to my problem which he states is both rear wheel bearings which my warranty has approved for replacement. Cool! Then he just cavalierly says "and you've got some damage to the carbon fiber tub" at which point he pans to one side of the car to reveal a deep scratch (not great but whatever) and then to the other side of the car to reveal a two inch long CRACK. That's a problem.

For all the hate the i8 gets, people don't realize that it's built like a super car. It's passenger compartment is comprised of a carbon fiber reinforced plastic tub with a frame attached at either end to hold the front motor and rear engine. The tub is made up of several smaller pieces that are fitted together and then bonded at the factory. If you damage the tub in any area, no matter how small, the fix is to disassemble the car enough to access that portion, grind out the adhesive on the entire affected piece and then install a new one. Only a couple problems:

1. The parts are on eternal backorder.
2. You need to basically disassemble half the car to get to this part.
3. Nobody will touch the car.

That last one is especially weird. Most won't touch it because they aren't comfortable working on it or aren't certified in carbon fiber. Of the people that are comfortable working on it, most won't touch it because writing an estimate is basically a fools errand since they know it will total out the car and they won't get the work anyhow.

So I sit here with a car that is perfectly drivable, yet will likely end up being totaled because of damage in an area that arguably sees almost no load forces. And how did I manage to pull this off? Well as best I can tell, a speedbump. Last month I had the kids in the car and went over a speedbump in a parking lot. I didn't go over it fast. It was just steep and the i8 is low. The extra weight of the kids was enough for the center of the car to bottom out on the bump. It didn't feel bad. Just enough to let you know to be more careful next time. And that's it. That's what did me in.

I have agreed value insurance through Hagerty. If they total it I'm hoping they'll sell it back to me for a reasonable cost. Otherwise, the car is about to be completely torn down for a 2 inch crack.
 

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So I've have had my i8 for a little over two years now. It's my first big "exotic" and yes I use the word exotic loosely here but whatever. Over the years I've wondered if I should upgrade to an F430, an LP570-2 or even a newer NSX. Ultimately I find that nothing matches the performance per dollar of the i8 and I end up keeping it. I love this car. It gets so much hate for no reason. But I digress.

I've had a drivetrain whine since I got it. It would increase with speed, wouldn't increase in turns, and seemed to keep getting progressively louder. I had mis-matched tires on the car and assumed they were just wearing poorly. So last week I went out and put a new set of Pilot Sport 4S's on the car only to immediately notice that the noise wasn't at all better. Ooof. No big deal. I have an aftermarket warranty that came with the car and I haven't touched it in two years. I take the car to BMW and let them know what the issue is. That night they send me a video.

The tech goes over some basic stuff like tread depth and brake pad life and then moves on to my problem which he states is both rear wheel bearings which my warranty has approved for replacement. Cool! Then he just cavalierly says "and you've got some damage to the carbon fiber tub" at which point he pans to one side of the car to reveal a deep scratch (not great but whatever) and then to the other side of the car to reveal a two inch long CRACK. That's a problem.

For all the hate the i8 gets, people don't realize that it's built like a super car. It's passenger compartment is comprised of a carbon fiber reinforced plastic tub with a frame attached at either end to hold the front motor and rear engine. The tub is made up of several smaller pieces that are fitted together and then bonded at the factory. If you damage the tub in any area, no matter how small, the fix is to disassemble the car enough to access that portion, grind out the adhesive on the entire affected piece and then install a new one. Only a couple problems:

1. The parts are on eternal backorder.
2. You need to basically disassemble half the car to get to this part.
3. Nobody will touch the car.

That last one is especially weird. Most won't touch it because they aren't comfortable working on it or aren't certified in carbon fiber. Of the people that are comfortable working on it, most won't touch it because writing an estimate is basically a fools errand since they know it will total out the car and they won't get the work anyhow.

So I sit here with a car that is perfectly drivable, yet will likely end up being totaled because of damage in an area that arguably sees almost no load forces. And how did I manage to pull this off? Well as best I can tell, a speedbump. Last month I had the kids in the car and went over a speedbump in a parking lot. I didn't go over it fast. It was just steep and the i8 is low. The extra weight of the kids was enough for the center of the car to bottom out on the bump. It didn't feel bad. Just enough to let you know to be more careful next time. And that's it. That's what did me in.

I have agreed value insurance through Hagerty. If they total it I'm hoping they'll sell it back to me for a reasonable cost. Otherwise, the car is about to be completely torn down for a 2 inch crack.
The i8's really are under everyone's radar, for whatever reason. My boss snagged one back in 2016 and only has 7,000 miles on it. But he'll compare it to his F80 M3 and he'd pick the i8 every time. They are fun to drive, just wish they had a little bit more meat on the tires, they really look like pizza cutters.

Good luck with your insurance claim, and I'd 100% try and buy it back.
 

Mike K

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The i8's really are under everyone's radar, for whatever reason. My boss snagged one back in 2016 and only has 7,000 miles on it. But he'll compare it to his F80 M3 and he'd pick the i8 every time. They are fun to drive, just wish they had a little bit more meat on the tires, they really look like pizza cutters.

Good luck with your insurance claim, and I'd 100% try and buy it back.
I just threw 235's on the front to replace the stock 215's. That's really the major issue with them is they were so set up for efficiency that BMW stuck really skinny tires up front and the car would understeer at it's limits. I think people's perception of what the car should have been clouds their judgement and doesn't allow them to appreciate it for what it is. We did a video shoot with mine in the hills of Malibu last month and one of the segments for that was a 0-60 run. The car ripped off a 3.8 second 0-60 on it's first go. It might not be the fastest but when you factor in cost to run and cost to maintain, there's just nothing that comes close to it in terms of overall cool factor. At least I don't think so. Which is why it's still in my garage. lol
 

Mike K

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This is correct. Any crack in the carbon fiber and that car is a total loss
Yeah the dealer was like, do you still want us to do the work? I asked him why and he tells me the basic book time and parts is like $60,000. I told them yes. I'm either fixing it or buying it back and I don't want to hear those wheel bearings.
 

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I gave Rich and Pat a hard time for this. Moreso Pat. Rich is a content creator. If Rich doesn't create drama he doesn't get any views. This is why he famously set up a smoke machine under his car years ago and vaguely insinuated that it caught fire as a teaser for a future video. The fact is that Rich has a modified, salvage car and that one BMW dealer didn't want to work on it. That's not surprising even out here in LA. Hell, even many Audi dealers don't have R8 specialists on hand and will encourage you to go to a dealer that does. At least that's how it used to be.
 
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Just a few dabs will fix that right up...

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Mike K

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Just a few dabs will fix that right up...

shopping
If it's totalled and if I buy it back, there's a local guy that rebuilt one with heavy side impact damage and he seems to think we could slap a flat piece of scrap carbon fiber over the damage, resin it in place and call it a day. Honestly, I could probably drive the car forever like this without it getting worse. I just know that if I go to sell it the value is destroyed. So I either need it fixed or totaled.
 

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So this is just another reason to dislike the i8 then, lol. I still don't know what BMW expected this car to be good at for $150k, especially now hearing that speed bumps can total it. Carbon fiber has a shelf life and is obv a lot more easily damaged than aluminum, why would they use it for a structural part in a car that's designed for street driving?

Hopefully it works out well for you and you can come out money ahead and still have the car since you like it so much.
 
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Well, there is the inspection afterwards on a salvage title. I guess that depends on who is inspecting it. Cause they might just go by the book and say that whole bonded section needs to be replaced.

I suppose if you have time and space, you can do all the disassembly yourself, and just give it to someone certified to replace that section, then re-assemble yourself.
 

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Well, there is the inspection afterwards on a salvage title. I guess that depends on who is inspecting it. Cause they might just go by the book and say that whole bonded section needs to be replaced.

I suppose if you have time and space, you can do all the disassembly yourself, and just give it to someone certified to replace that section, then re-assemble yourself.
If you grease the right palms, it'll pass - same way people in Cali are getting emissions passed
 

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carbon repair yourself, plenty of boats, planes and bikes get it. Why not a car
My friend has a guy that does carbon repair locally somewhere in the area. Their race cars have carbon bodies and floor tunnels. They get beat up quite a bit. Just need to find a guy out in Cali that supports higher end race cars and they probably have a ā€œguyā€ too.
 
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