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[MENTION=4923]The Beast[/MENTION] gave me a great deal on an 03 Cobra. $75k out the door, for a mint 03 Cobra with only 34,000 miles. He even threw in the tint job for free!
Oh yeah...And the Scotch guard. Another great deal!U got it all wrong look at your paper work again I took in your mustang 3v heap for the price of scrap which is $300 and then I threw in the under coating and nitrogen air in the tires.$74.999 otd
Options that aren't options
Fucking dealers. Tell them to take it off, you don't want it. Or they could just lower the price
This is why I bought my last 4 cars at Carmax.
No fucking around there. Usually.
Every car in AZ has the Nitrogen tires, tints, and clear bra bullshit too. You can't *not* get it. I forgot the price of it, but $1500 sounds right. They can right fuck off with that.
A friend of mine worked at Golf Mill Ford, he quit after a month or so of cheating people out of money. He couldn't do it, they would sell a nice rust corrosion package for the new F150's. Granted the frame is still steel but none the less.
We just bought a 3rd car last month and the experience is the same. I know we have some dealer guys on this site and I understand it's a business. But I am really hoping the Tesla model takes off. I hate dealing with the bullshit, and it's always bullshit.
I've been researching the new Tesla Model 3 and am very intrigued. Very tempted to put the $1000 reserve in and wait. Just wish there was solid facts about the car and interior photos. Plus I want to see what the options will bring the price to.
At this point I wouldn't bother putting down a down payment. You're years away from being able to buy so you may as well wait and see what the final product is going to look like and that's apparently very soon (like next month).
MIke, have your sister ask more questions on the phone.
What fees do you charge?
Are they negotiable? (they are)
What model do you have in stock that will match what I'm looking for? Options on it? OUT THE DOOR PRICE?
They won't want to give all the info over the phone but, if she convinces them she won't come in unless they do, most salespeople will give her a lot of info.
Once you find a dealership where it sounds good on the phone, tell the salesman to text the agreed on deal to you. Again, they won't want to do this but will if pushed. "I know you are a good dealership and you seem like a good guy but... I have been burned before and want to make sure I will get what we just discussed if I take the time to drive over there. If I will buy the car today, you should have no problem texting the info to me, right?" Hard to say no to that one.
I just helped my younger daughter negotiate a purchase. Half a dozen salespeople were crap then we ran into a good one. He found the car we wanted and took us on a good test drive answering our questions without lying or pushing. He showed us comparable cars so my daughter could decide and gave us a price below the internet price. From comps we had seen, it was a good deal. He did not argue about a couple items I wanted included because they were inexpensive and easily doable. I'm sending a letter to the GM to give the guy a recommendation for his files. Recommendations are gold to salespeople and he deserves it.
Think of it as a game. Find a good salesperson and let them do their job. Firm but polite works best. To a good salesperson, making something is a lot better than making nothing.
This is all great advice but buying a Chevy Volt diehard right-wing, climate change denying, old person driving Phoenix is hard as it is. There aren't very many of them. So right off the bat I was dealing with a weak hand. It was also somewhat of a crime of opportunity. We're on vacation and I didn't want to spend the day or several days chasing deals.
The bottom line is this nonsense shouldn't be allowed. They wear you down. Most people negotiate a price and then don't find out about the doc fees and $1500 package until they're in the finance room and they only find out about it if they look at the numbers. If they don't look they'll never know and most probably don't or don't know where to look.
How is this better for the consumer as the dealer lobby will have you believe? It's not. It's horrible for the consumer. When you're subject to paying for unwanted services unless you know specifically to look for them, how is that to your benefit? And it's not to the manufacturer's benefit because it creates bad will with their customers. I'm pissed at Chevy because Chevy tolerates this. This is ok service as far as they're concerned. And Volkswagen tolerates it too as do a number of other manufactures.
Say what you want about Tesla but the price on the site is the price you pay. There was never any thought in my head that I had to negotiate a better price or that they were going to slip something in on me because it doesn't happen. It's like buying a MacBook. The price is the price.
So I repeat: fuck dealers. If you're an honest person working at an independent dealer you'll be an honest person working at a manufacturer owned dealer in my perfect world. The rest of your kind will expire, crushed by the tides of change, the moment people realize the entire dealer lobby is bullshit. Gee, sure hope there isn't a car people are about to buy 400 or 500k of where they'll instantly realize there's a better way... Oh if only...
Say what you want about Tesla but the price on the site is the price you pay. There was never any thought in my head that I had to negotiate a better price or that they were going to slip something in on me because it doesn't happen. It's like buying a MacBook. The price is the price.
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Best Buy are a bunch of fucks too. Website price is different than in store and when you ask about it they make you prove it, then a manager needs to also see and approve the discount.this is how all car buying should be. see the price online, pay said price. it's like walking into best buy to buy a TV, then finding out at the register you have to buy the geek squad package, a couch, and a home entertainment system too.
Best Buy are a bunch of fucks too. Website price is different than in store and when you ask about it they make you prove it, then a manager needs to also see and approve the discount.
When I bought my Accord coupe two year ago they added $300 for "aftermarket" and when I asked what the fuck aftermarket was the sales man told me how that etch the VIN number in all the glass on the cars because if the car every gets stolen it will be easier to track down the parts or some BS. Fuck, if my car is stolen I don't want the fucker back. Also on my trade I had some aftermaket parts installed such as speakers, HID's lowering kit ect and I told before they appraised the car, that I will return the car to stock for trade. So, they tried to use that against me saying that if I returned the car to stock that my trade would be lower because the "cool" stuff I installed makes the car. Also all the usual haggling a that a dealer does.
What I love is that they always seem to think it's their prerogative to put their damn name on a sticker in the back. We need a law like the California one to prevent them from doing that without the owner's permission.
let them have their name on license plate frames that you can throw in the trash if you want
After reading all this it makes me want to go back to carmax for the next car unless it's a cash sale. I hate salesman and I hate the finance guys. Last time I was haggling they wouldn't accept my offer and wanted an extra $50 so I walked out. Literally nickle and dime you to death.
When we got my wifes car we spent around 12k I think and the gas light was on so I asked them to fill it up....they sure did. Just enough to get the light off and said there you go
I think people don't realize that now it's not the salesmen that get you; it's the finance guys. The salesman will negotiate a price with you and you'll walk into finance with your guard down, proud of the great deal you just negotiated. And they're hoping that you don't notice the $500 doc fee or the $1500 in dealer added options. And then there's the numbers which almost never exactly match up. Dealers have smartened up and they try to give you the win with the sales guy only to have finance snatch that money right back from you.
I think people don't realize that now it's not the salesmen that get you; it's the finance guys. The salesman will negotiate a price with you and you'll walk into finance with your guard down, proud of the great deal you just negotiated. And they're hoping that you don't notice the $500 doc fee or the $1500 in dealer added options. And then there's the numbers which almost never exactly match up. Dealers have smartened up and they try to give you the win with the sales guy only to have finance snatch that money right back from you.
I think people don't realize that now it's not the salesmen that get you; it's the finance guys. The salesman will negotiate a price with you and you'll walk into finance with your guard down, proud of the great deal you just negotiated. And they're hoping that you don't notice the $500 doc fee or the $1500 in dealer added options. And then there's the numbers which almost never exactly match up. Dealers have smartened up and they try to give you the win with the sales guy only to have finance snatch that money right back from you.
Yep.... My buddy just went into a dealer and offered a cash amount on an Evo and they basically said they'd rather someone finance it instead of paying cash... Wouldn't even move off their number after they heard cash.
Guessing that's where the money comes from now....