First Union Pacific Big Boy locomotive to move under its own power in almost 60 years

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Awesome. I am huge into Old Trains!

Got stuck in Scranton, PA, a few months ago waiting on parts.

Went straight to Steamtown, spent the day. They have Big Boy 4012 there, I must have spent an hour crawling around it taking photos. They are BIG. Too big for the roundhouse, which is why it is just parked outside where one CAN crawl all over it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steamtown_National_Historic_Site

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Pacific_4012

The story on 4012 states that while it could be restored and run, the surrounding tracks, bridges, switches and general facilities could not handle the tremendous weight, so the recommendation is to remain a static display.

Love these beasts.

How did it get there then? :)

I think another major issue and one that the DD40X I posted above, really don't go east of the Mississippi river is that they can't articulate around tighter curves due to length, truck count, etc... so you see them (or saw them) mainly out west on the long transcontinental routes where they had room to work.
 

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The story on 4012 states that while it could be restored and run, the surrounding tracks, bridges, switches and general facilities could not handle the tremendous weight, so the recommendation is to remain a static display.

Love these beasts.

How did it get there then? :)

Some of the rolling stock at Steamtown National Historic Site actually came from Steamtown U.S.A. which was located at Walpole, NH and Bellows Falls, VT prior to being moved to the final site in Scranton. Steamtown U.S.A. operated in Scranton prior to being acquired by the NPS and its metamorphosis into Steamtown NHS. The Big Boy 4012 was originally located at the Bellows Falls location but was moved dead in tow from VT to Scranton much like when it was moved from UP rails out West to VT. The statements regarding the weight and facilities that she'd traverse around Steamtown if re-fired related to the fact that curves aren't as sweeping as they are out West and the force of the tractive power of the locomotive would destroy the older railbeds and rails in the East (the weight of the pistons, rods, etc. create a "pounding" effect on the rails and railbed). It can be shoved around a bit dead in tow but that's pretty much it unless she were to be moved back out West and rebuilt as it is stated it would be possible to refire her.
 

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Same here...used to hear the Milw road guys talk about doing 70 in sd40-2s on jointed rail lol. I couldnt even imagine that

Prior rights Santa Fe guys talk like they ran faster than that on the souther trans con before they had overspeed on the locomotives. I’ve ran 70 a handful of times within the rules and I much prefer 60. Things come up too fast at 70.
 

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The Great Race to Ogden – No. 844 and No. 4014

Big Boy No. 4014 will leave Cheyenne with the Living Legend No. 844 May 4 and arrive in Ogden for the May 9 celebratory event. The event will be streamed live at 10:30 a.m. MT via the Union Pacific Facebook page.

The Big Boy and Living Legend will make several brief stops in communities on their way to Ogden. Follow it's progress on our Steam Locomotive Tracking map or on the @UP_Steam feed on Twitter!

Saturday, May 4
Christening
Depart
9:30 a.m. MT
10:00 a.m. MT
Cheyenne, Wyo.
Cheyenne Depot Museum
121 W. 15th Street
Christening Ceremony Ticket Information
Arrival
Depart
11:15 a.m. MT
11:30 a.m. MT
Harriman, Wyo.
County Road 102 Crossing
Arrival
Depart
12:30 p.m. MT
1:15 p.m. MT
Laramie, Wyo.
Laramie Historic Railroad Depot
E. Kearney and S. 1st St.
Arrival
Depart
2:30 p.m. MT
3:15 p.m. MT
Medicine Bow, Wyo.
Hwy. 30 at Medicine Bow-McFadden Rd.
Arrival
4:45 p.m. MT
Rawlins, Wyo.
East Railroad St & Higley Blvd.
Sunday, May 5
Depart
8:00 a.m. MT
Rawlins, Wyo.
East Railroad St & Higley Blvd.
Arrival
Depart
9:15 a.m. MT
10:00 a.m. MT
Wamsutter, Wyo.
Near Water Tower
Broadway Street
Arrival
11:15 a.m. MT
Rock Springs, Wyo.
501 N. Front St
Monday, May 6
Depart
4:00 a.m. MT
Rock Springs, Wyo.
501 N. Front St
Arrival
Depart
4:55 a.m. MT
5:10 a.m. MT
Green River, Wyo.
Depot
200 E. Railroad Ave
Arrival
Depart
6:15 a.m. MT
7:00 a.m. MT
Granger, Wyo.
Main Street crossing
Arrival
8:45 a.m. MT
Evanston, Wyo.
1500 Main St.
Tuesday, May 7
No Public Display

Evanston, Wyo.
1500 Main St.
Wednesday, May 8
Depart
8:00 a.m. MT
Evanston, Wyo.
1500 Main St.
Arrival
Depart
9:25 a.m. MT
9:40 a.m. MT
Echo, Utah
Echo Road Crossing
Arrival
Depart
10:20 a.m. MT
10:35 a.m. MT
Morgan, Utah
Morgan Depot
98 Commercial Street
Arrival
11:35 a.m. MT
Ogden, Utah
No Public Access
Thursday, May 9
Ogden's Heritage Festival
Celebration
10:30 a.m. MT
Ogden, Utah
Ogden Union Station
2501 Wall Ave.
Open to the Public
No Ticket Required
More Information: Ogden Heritage Festival
On Display:
Noon – 3:00 p.m. MT
Ogden, Utah
Ogden's Union Station
2501 Wall Ave.
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The Great Race from Ogden – No. 844 and No. 4014

Following the 150th anniversary celebrations, No. 4014 and No. 844 will double-head on their return trip to the Union Pacific Steam Shop in Cheyenne, stopping in communities along the way including Rock Springs and Laramie, Wyoming.

Friday, May 10 – Saturday, May 11
On Display:
10:00 a.m. – 3:00 p.m. MT
Ogden, Utah
Ogden Union Station
2501 Wall Ave.
Experience the Union Pacific Rail Car
Sunday, May 12
Spike 150 Train Excursion
Depart
8:00 a.m. MT
Ogden, Utah
Ogden Union Station
2501 Wall Ave.
Spike 150 Train Excursion Tickets

Arrival
Depart
9:15 a.m. MT
9:25 a.m. MT
Morgan, Utah
98 Commercial Street
Arrival
Depart
9:55 a.m. MT
10:05 a.m. MT
Echo, Utah
Echo Road Crossing
Arrival
11:05 a.m. MT
Evanston, Wyo.
Evanston Depot
10th St.
Monday, May 13
Depart
8:00 a.m. MT
Evanston, Wyo.
Arrival
Depart
10:00 a.m. MT
10:45 a.m. MT
Granger, Wyo.
Main Street crossing
Arrival
Depart
11:50 a.m. MT
12:05 p.m. MT
Green River, Wyo.
200 E. Railroad Ave
Arrival
12:45 p.m. MT
Rock Springs, Wyo.
501 N. Front St
Tuesday, May 14 – Wednesday, May 15
On Display:
9:00 a.m. – 3:00 p.m. MT
Rock Springs, Wyo.
501 N. Front St
Experience the Union Pacific Rail Car
Thursday, May 16
Depart
8:00 a.m. MT
Rock Springs, Wyo.
501 N. Front St
Arrival
Depart
9:00 a.m. MT
9:15 a.m. MT
Point of Rocks, Wyo.
Black Buttes Road
Arrival
Depart
10:30 a.m. MT
11:30 a.m. MT
Wamsutter, Wyo.
Near Water Tower
Broadway Street
Arrival
12:45 p.m. MT
Rawlins, Wyo.
East Railroad St & Higley Blvd.
Friday, May 17
Depart
8:00 a.m. MT
Rawlins, Wyo.
East Railroad St & Higley Blvd.
Arrival
Depart
9:00 a.m. MT
9:15 a.m. MT
Hanna, Wyo.
Main St. & Front St.
Arrival
Depart
9:45 a.m. MT
10:45 a.m. MT
Medicine Bow, Wyo.
Hwy. 30 at Medicine Bow-McFadden Rd.
Arrival
12:45 p.m. MT
Laramie, Wyo.
Laramie Historic Railroad Depot
E. Kearney and S. 1st St.
No Public Access
Saturday, May 18
No Public Access

Laramie, Wyo.
Laramie Historic Railroad Depot
E. Kearney and S. 1st St.
Sunday, May 19
Depart
8:00 a.m. MT
Laramie, Wyo.
Laramie Historic Railroad Depot
E. Kearney and S. 1st St.
Arrival
Depart
9:15 a.m. MT
9:25 a.m. MT
Sherman Hill, Wyo.
Arrival
11:05 a.m. MT
Cheyenne, Wyo.
UP Steam Shop
Great Race to Ogden Route Map
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Will it be rolling through Chicago?




UP brought 3985 out to Chicago in 2002 and they didn't invest over $10 million in 4014 to just keep it out West. It's a huge PR move to even re-acquire the locomotive in the first place. It will come to Chicago but like ilikemtb999 hinted, it is not known right now. UP has obligations to take it to some locations related to the re-acquisition and also some work to smooth out some gremlins from the rebuild.

I just hope that I don't miss it...
 

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Some of the rolling stock at Steamtown National Historic Site actually came from Steamtown U.S.A. which was located at Walpole, NH and Bellows Falls, VT prior to being moved to the final site in Scranton. Steamtown U.S.A. operated in Scranton prior to being acquired by the NPS and its metamorphosis into Steamtown NHS. The Big Boy 4012 was originally located at the Bellows Falls location but was moved dead in tow from VT to Scranton much like when it was moved from UP rails out West to VT. The statements regarding the weight and facilities that she'd traverse around Steamtown if re-fired related to the fact that curves aren't as sweeping as they are out West and the force of the tractive power of the locomotive would destroy the older railbeds and rails in the East (the weight of the pistons, rods, etc. create a "pounding" effect on the rails and railbed). It can be shoved around a bit dead in tow but that's pretty much it unless she were to be moved back out West and rebuilt as it is stated it would be possible to refire her.

I get what you're saying, but still, 1.2M pounds, is still a chunk. :D

Also, my comment was more a smart assed one. :D

UP brought 3985 out to Chicago in 2002 and they didn't invest over $10 million in 4014 to just keep it out West. It's a huge PR move to even re-acquire the locomotive in the first place. It will come to Chicago but like ilikemtb999 hinted, it is not known right now. UP has obligations to take it to some locations related to the re-acquisition and also some work to smooth out some gremlins from the rebuild.

I just hope that I don't miss it...

That would be when I went to see it. It came through my town and was parked for a week or so over by our police station.
 

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Some new chatter about 4014 came out this past week that makes me think that I will indeed miss its trip to Chicago.

The locomotive will be heading up an annual excursion from Nebraska to Boone, IA that raises funds for a museum (IIRC) and some of the speculation is that since passengers are going to be motorcoached back to the origin, then a continuation of the route to the Great Lakes Region is very possible.

Trains.com article on the subject: http://trn.trains.com/news/news-wir...for-big-boy-no-4014-iowa-from-there-eastbound
 

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'It's beyond miraculous': Union Pacific's historic Big Boy No. 4014 steam locomotive coming to West Chicago

By*Lauren Rohr

July 22, 2019 4:06 pm

Cole Helfrich was just 3, but he remembers the smell of burning coal and creosote when his father took him to a small West Chicago rail yard to admire the steam locomotives.

It's been more than six decades, but the Wheaton resident still recalls it vividly: the roundhouse, the railway turntable, the heat of the day. He remembers hearing the whistle and standing beside one engine's enormous 7-foot driving wheels.


But the smells are what trigger the deepest memories of his introduction to the train subculture.

This week, Helfrich's fandom will come full circle when the world's largest steam locomotive -- the newly restored Big Boy No. 4014 -- powers through the suburbs and stops at the same West Chicago site where it all began.

It's the opportunity of a lifetime for train enthusiasts, most of whom never imagined they'd see a Big Boy run again. But after being out of commission for 60 years, the historic Union Pacific locomotive has been brought back to life and is drawing fans from across the country, and the world.

"This is a dream for all of us," Helfrich said. "It's beyond miraculous."

The Big Boy

At a length of 133 feet and weighing 1.2 million pounds, the Big Boy No. 4014 is larger than a sedan, a school bus and a diesel locomotive combined.

The steam engine was among 25 of its kind built for Union Pacific in the 1940s to haul heavy tonnage and handle steep terrain, railroad spokeswoman Kristen South said. It traveled more than 1 million miles over the next two decades, typically operating between Ogden, Utah, and Cheyenne, Wyoming, before making its last run in 1959

A Big Boy has a 4-8-8-4 wheel arrangement, meaning there are four "pilot" wheels at the front, a set of eight drivers on each engine, and four wheels to support the rear. Because of its size, the frame is "hinged," or articulated, to allow the steam engine to navigate curves.

"The way it moves is different from any other historic locomotive," South said. "You can feel the locomotive coming. You can hear the whistle; it has a distinctive sound."

The 4014 is one of eight Big Boy locomotives still in existence; the others are on display. Bartlett resident Matt Vida has made it his goal to see them all -- he has only one left -- but says he never thought he'd see one "alive and operating."

"It's just a legend in the railroad world," he said. "It's like the Rolling Stones or the Beatles of trains."

Like Helfrich, Vida's interest was passed down from his father, who brought the family to a model train show at the DuPage County Fairgrounds in 1994. They left with a model Big Boy.

The following year, the family saw its first Big Boy in person (No. 4005) when they went on vacation to Denver. A few years later, they made it to Pomona, California, where they saw No. 4014 on display.

The steam engine was acquired by Union Pacific in 2013 and moved to Wyoming, where crews took it apart, salvaged whatever pieces they could and rebuilt the other parts from scratch, South said. When the restoration wrapped up, the 4014 completed its first run in 60 years in May to celebrate the 150th anniversary of the Transcontinental Railroad's completion.

The locomotive now is on its "Great Race Across the Midwest," making stops in Nebraska, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa and Illinois. Some people are following the train through its journey, South said. Others have traveled from across the nation or around the world to watch it in action.

I've seen adults in tears over it, they're just so excited," South said. "It's truly an experience."

Time machines

A family trip to the Illinois Railway Museum a few years back was all the inspiration Dave Zeman needed to start photographing trains.

The hobby has led the 18-year-old Arlington Heights resident to parts of the state and country he never would have otherwise visited. It's given him a whole new group of friends and mentors.

But why trains? Zeman never really has a direct answer, though he thinks there's something fascinating about the stories they tell.

"The trains in the U.S. and frankly everywhere else around the world are deeply rooted in history. They're kind of time machines," he said. "The (4014) is kind of the train that every rail fan has been waiting for most in the past 50 years."

The locomotive is passing through the suburbs and arriving Friday afternoon at the Larry S. Provo Training Center at 335 Spencer St. in West Chicago. A new multimedia walk-through exhibit, called Experience the Union Pacific Train Car, will be open Saturday through Monday, showing the evolution of trains.

The Illinois Railway Museum, the West Chicago City Museum and other groups will have displays during the weekend, South said. The locomotive is scheduled to leave July 30 for Des Moines, Iowa.

West Chicago officials are preparing for an estimated 2,000 people to visit the train each day, said Bethany Bayci, special events coordinator.

Helfrich plans to visit the locomotive over the weekend but says he'll witness the real magic as it's pulling into town.

In the 1940s, his late father would stand along the tracks in Wheaton and watch the Big Boys pass on their way to Omaha from upstate New York, where they were built. When the 4014 runs along the same tracks this week, Helfrich intends to be in the same spot his dad stood all those years ago, feeling what he felt, seeing what he saw.

"Hear the whistle blow. See it move and do what it does," Helfrich said. "You don't want to miss it running. It'll shake you right up."
 

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The funny thing is, I remember all that guy is talking about. The Roundhouse, turntable, and tracks around it. My Grandfather was an engineer on the Chicago & NW (which is why they picked West Chicago to live... Quick access to the trains...). It wasn't until the late 80's and early 90's that the last reminents of all that were removed.
 
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