Cost also comes into play here. The BRZ is cheap. The MSRP of a 1LE Turbo is considerably higher than a BRZ.
of course cost is a factor, which in the past you (or maybe someone else) was arguing that the supposed v6 mustang would be tracky bois became tracking v8 mustangs instead, as if cost was a non-factor in that attempted rationalizing for the lack of v6 mustangs.
the camaro starts at 25,905 and 1le is 32,590 per article (i don't see the trim on chevy.com), the brz is 25,595 for the entry level and 30,500 for a package with brembos. 34,355 for the article in tested trim so even pricier than the camaro. i bet you'll find more even at this trim level at the tracks than 1le. (edit: tested camaro trim at 40,890, which really makes it seem unjustified as a peer or worth the price, not suprisingly the article even recommends buying the next one up)
If your objective is driving fast, the Camaro seems to be the better platform based on the data. I believe you that there’s a lot of BRZ’s that show up. Its probably a close group that share a common hobby.
The Cobalt SS probably wasn’t purchased as a track vehicle due to being front wheel drive.
the cobalt ss wasn't purchased as a track vehicle and you don't think of it as one because it being a few seconds faster in a magazine doesn't factor nearly as much as you (99-100%) seem to imply. a wrx is 27,295 and an sti at 36,595 not far off that top brz trim. i, and everybody else you
actually see tracking could have bought v6 mustangs and few (arguably none) of people actually tracking did that. my objective is to drive fast, but my objective above all others is to have fun. i'll again note the way this article ended the piece on the brz:
The BRZ might not be the fastest car here, but it is one of the most fun and rewarding to drive at the limit.
do you really think i'm going to buy another car because in a magazine it's a few seconds faster around a track but it's not as fun? you have already stated you don't understand why we didn't all just buy v6 mustangs in the prior thread. do you think that maybe it's possible that the brz is 2800 lbs of handling fun and a lot more rewarding to drive than a 3500 lb pig that happens to have enough hp to push it across a finish line a couple seconds more quickly? maaaaaaaaybe? could we have possibly solved this incredible mystery??
Again, you are assuming. I was at Autobahn in late April karting and will be there next month as I been itching for a ride in my friend’s Radical.
I got it, you’re the absolute authority and no one’s opinion counts. I am not an expert at Golf and have played 9 holes and a scramble this year, but I could grab my bag from home and beat 70% of the regular golfers that are actually doing. My point is just because I or someone hasn’t done it in a while doesn’t mean that you should automatically throw out an opinion or experience.
you seem perfectly happy not only throwing out my opinion but ignoring away this mystery of many 86s and 0 v6 mustangs. it seems given that you should possibly entertain the fact no one cares about using a v6 mustang as a track car. just like that cobalt ss.
What’s funny is one of my sales reps just walked by my office. He’s a euro car guy so we talk cars. His son in law owns a race shop at Autobahn and is there quite frequently. I asked him what are the most common cars he sees there. He said there’s a ton of Radicals, Porsches, and Spec Miatas.
well since you are so familiar with autobahn, then you should be able to separate out the hpde track day attendees i am talking about vs. the country club members and the formal race classes they actually have there (miatas and radicals...) right?
So in closing, if you want a fast track car by the numbers buy a 1LE and if you want to fit in with the cool crowd buy a BRZ.
not exactly. more like if you want to buy a car to stance out like a dbag, or go drag, or go drift, or go autocross, or go track, in this price range the BRZ makes a fine choice (not so hot on drag).
you could buy a 1LE too and i wouldn't knock you for it - but your 1LE friends are going to be doing a mix between nothing or going to drag strips. probably mostly nothing. you'll be welcome at the track by all, but you'll probably be there with 0 1LE friends and be parking next to 5 BRZs. i'll probably be having more fun, and i'll be chasing you hard enough that you're going to need to forget about the magazine and see what your own ass can actually do with a car.
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