The data shows that there’s a 10-15 second gap between the BRZ and Turbo 1LE; an eternity on the track. Maybe the Camaro’s are so far ahead that the BRZ guys can’t see them on the track?
as stated, VIR has long straights where the cars can get up to higher speeds (like say road america around here) - the camaro would certainly be ahead of it elsewhere, although not as large a gap.
What you are pointing out above is a classic case of an internet sweeping generalization.
no, i'm actually pointing out the reality of what people who buy and track cars actually do. iirc the cobalt ss at one time had better lap times than the sti or evo in a previous similar test - yet it's doubtful you were even aware of this or even being aware of it would claim oh yeah - the cobalt ss is a great track car, the better one to buy and track of this set.
on the same day as the gps south event there was a big mustang event - but it was just a large car show. some guys did parade/tour laps on the north track.
the midwest f-body association used to do 1 event a year, up in road america. the last one they did might be a decade ago now.
i'm not sure which audi might be faster than which bmw these days, on some magazine laps - but again, it doesn't actually matter. iirc the audi tt may be faster than an m2.
the audi chicago chapter itself runs 0 kart/autox/track days.
the windy city bmw chicago chapter this year runs 4 kart days, 10 autocrosses, and 4 track days.
the registration for the last laps event is here:
https://www.motorsportreg.com/index.../uidEvent/FAB86CA8-ACC4-3B92-5430CAECF0180FF7
it contains 1 audi (s3) and 21 BMWs (3 of which are M2s). scroll down the rest of this list - is this an "import focused" event?? if it is, it's focused on germans... and where are those TTs?
Since you haven’t seen them on the 2-3 tracks events that you attend (and probably import focused), therefore no one takes them to the track.
well, how many have you seen at the 0 track events that you attend? i have gone to track days in the UAE, south africa, and the philippines as well. the midwest 86 cup group above is
our first year - california has 2 regional classes. the one i just glanced it has 12-30 attendees per event. are you going to claim there is some v6/turbo mustang/camaro community anywhere in the world rivaling this?
you are right, i'm going off of what my eyes have seen - which is a whole lot more than you have seen with your eyes closed sitting on the couch. there are at least 2 universal truths:
1. you're going to find the bmw club is among the most active, if not the most active, manufacturer club virtually anywhere you are across the US
2. you're going to find more 86s than v6 mustangs or turbo camaros or hyundai genises etc etc etc anywhere you go
GM obviously didn’t develop the Turbo 1LE because they didn’t see a buyer. The buyer of 1LE’s are checking that box because they are people that enjoy pushing the car in the twisties.
not really. they are buying it because they can't afford the next engine option. maybe a few did read in a magazine that it can pull a 3:05.6 - but all they can do with that information is argue on a message board that a 3:05.6 is faster than a 3:06.6, meanwhile if they were driving a ferrari they couldn't get around faster than a 3:36 - but they aren't going to go to the track and drive either anyway. enjoy pushing the car in the twisties? not any more than the people who change a brake pad compound or put on bigger brakes and claim to have more "stopping power" on the way to the mall, or put on some north korean $600 suspension and talk about how their car now "corners on rails". we know only a smidge of drivers track their car, 5% doing at least 1 event is probably generous for the 86. but a v6 mustang or turbo camaro you'd be at least as generous rounding it up to 1% (ignoring drag strips.)
i won't deny for a second that the car (1le) is capable, nor will i deny that it is faster. there are many reasons you might buy car a over car b, or choose one for an application over another. it's one that's been clearly been made already by many people with their own money in this price range. it's not the choice
you would make - but the only place you track is magazine threads on TCG.
