$26,000 brand new silverado double cab.

[Outlaw]

To me, a diesel isn't really purchased for the increased gas mileage while towing... It's purchased for the power and resale value of the truck. It's a cost you will ALWAYS be able to get back out of the truck.

For example... the 7.3 powerstroke diesel in 2002 was a $6,500 option. Just for ease of argument, let's say that the mileage is 200,000 on both trucks.

A gas 2002 F250 with 200k is selling for about $4,000

A diesel 2002 F250 with 200k is selling for about $10,500

Granted, it's a hearsay analogy, but, the point is that all the "big bucks" you spend on a diesel truck, you recoup when you sell it.

 

[Yaj Yak]

Regardless, if you plan on using a truck for work or towing, why not get a 3/4 ton? The gas vs. diesel debate is never going to end, but, I think it's pretty obvious that you're going to be much happier in a 3/4 ton truck if you're using it for more than towing short distances and hauling stuff in the bed.

Also, the gas trucks, like KJ said, have come a long way. You're not going to see much of a loss in mileage going from a 1/2 ton to 3/4 ton truck.

Ride, efficiency, features, etc etc.

your parents 3/4 ton yukon referenced earlier in here is rated to tow less than most new 1/2 ton pickups...

 

[Yaj Yak]

To me, a diesel isn't really purchased for the increased gas mileage while towing... It's purchased for the power and resale value of the truck. It's a cost you will ALWAYS be able to get back out of the truck.

For example... the 7.3 powerstroke diesel in 2002 was a $6,500 option. Just for ease of argument, let's say that the mileage is 200,000 on both trucks.

A gas 2002 F250 with 200k is selling for about $4,000

A diesel 2002 F250 with 200k is selling for about $10,500

Granted, it's a hearsay analogy, but, the point is that all the "big bucks" you spend on a diesel truck, you recoup when you sell it.

except that diesel 2002 f250 cost 4x more to keep on the road for those 13 years, if not more when the oil pan rotted out, or the significantly more expensive oil changes, or whatever else could have plagued that dinosaur over those 13 years

 

[Outlaw]

How do you figure? Yes, the parts cost more when they go out, but gas trucks have their share of problems as well. Your 5.4 2002 F250 has most likely spit a spark plug or two, has a rusted oil pan and a leaking rear main by 200k. And, if you want to bring gas mileage into the equation, you've probably gotten double the fuel mileage out of the truck over the life of it.

 

[Yaj Yak]

i think nowadays you get 3/4 ton or larger trucks if you plan on actually hauling insane loads in the actual truck

 

[Yaj Yak]

How do you figure? Yes, the parts cost more when they go out, but gas trucks have their share of problems as well. Your 5.4 2002 F250 has most likely spit a spark plug or two, has a rusted oil pan and a leaking rear main by 200k. And, if you want to bring gas mileage into the equation, you've probably gotten double the fuel mileage out of the truck over the life of it.

spark plug issues on 5.4's didnt come until later than 2002. that 5.4 probably has had no issues it's entire gutless life

 

[Primalzer]

5.4's are such turd's

 

[Primalzer]

The 3V 5.4's paired with the 6-speed are adequate, but are way outclassed by the time they came around in later 2000's. 4 speed and 5 speed auto 5.4's are god awful

 

[Outlaw]

Ride, efficiency, features, etc etc.

your parents 3/4 ton yukon referenced earlier in here is rated to tow less than most new 1/2 ton pickups...

Yeah, and I'd still choose the older 3/4 ton.

Have you driven or towed with a 2014+ silverado/ sierra 1500? I have, and it sucks fucking dick. It feels like I'm towing with a Lincoln Town Car. Suspension soft as shit, body rolls through turns with the trailer dragging the ass end, it doesn't know what gear it wants to be in EVER. It's just god awful. Like, absolutely atrocious.

I wanted a new body Sierra like no other when they first hit the market. After doing 1000 miles in Crazy Eye's truck with a trailer in tow, I never want to be behind the wheel of one again.

 

[Outlaw]

Ask [MENTION=2616]Chester Copperpot[/MENTION], he saw first hand what I'm talking about and heard me bitching the entire trip.

 

[EmersonHart13]

Are we comparing gas 3/4 ton to gas 1/2 or diesel 3/4 to gas 1/2..

So confused.

 

[Yaj Yak]

Yeah, and I'd still choose the older 3/4 ton.

Have you driven or towed with a 2014+ silverado/ sierra 1500? I have, and it sucks fucking dick. It feels like I'm towing with a Lincoln Town Car. Suspension soft as shit, body rolls through turns with the trailer dragging the ass end, it doesn't know what gear it wants to be in EVER. It's just god awful. Like, absolutely atrocious.

I wanted a new body Sierra like no other when they first hit the market. After doing 1000 miles in Crazy Eye's truck with a trailer in tow, I never want to be behind the wheel of one again.

i wouldn't.

i haven't been in a 2014 silverado/sierra 1500, but i've been in dodge's offerings and fords, and would undoubtedly take one of them for towing far before a 10 year old 3/4 ton gas gm sucking 6-7 mpg while towing.

 

[Yaj Yak]

Ask [MENTION=2616]Chester Copperpot[/MENTION], he saw first hand what I'm talking about and heard me bitching the entire trip.

[MENTION=2616]Chester Copperpot[/MENTION] couldn't pull his dick from his own ass.

his opinion is moot.

 

[EmersonHart13]

[MENTION=2616]Chester Copperpot[/MENTION] wouldn't pull his dick from his own ass.

his opinion is moot.

He wouldn't pull his dick from his own ass, he likes it too much.

 

[Outlaw]

Are we comparing gas 3/4 ton to gas 1/2 or diesel 3/4 to gas 1/2..

So confused.

I'm compairing the 1/2 ton to 3/4 ton chassis. The Diesel argument gets thrown in from time to time, but, I'm mainly comparing the chassis.

 

[EmersonHart13]

So stick to gas then [MENTION=19]Kay Jay[/MENTION], right?

 

[Outlaw]

i wouldn't.

i haven't been in a 2014 silverado/sierra 1500, but i've been in dodge's offerings and fords, and would undoubtedly take one of them for towing far before a 10 year old 3/4 ton gas gm sucking 6-7 mpg while towing.

I got 9-10 in my 2011 1/2 to gas truck towing a 4,000# trailer and 8.4 towing my 22' enclosed with the 3/4 ton yukon... The mileage difference is negligible. The difference is that one did it pretty effortlessly while feeling planted on the ground, while the other spent 8 hours hunting between 4th, 5th and 6th gear deciding where it should be.

 

[Yaj Yak]

2015 6.2 f250 crew cab can haul 3k ish in the bed and is rated to tow 12k ish.

2015 3.5 f150 crew cab can haul 2k ish in the bed and is rated to tow 11-12k ish.

both situations where honestly, the only real "reason" to get an f250 would be if the bed is going to be loaded heavily... aka. fifth wheel action.

what are you pulling besides occasionally your parents boat that weighs more than 10k anyways just out of curiosity?

 

[EmersonHart13]

His ego

I love you [MENTION=1983]Outlaw[/MENTION]

 

[Outlaw]

I have a 22' Enclosed trailer that pulls cars, ATV's and sleds. Just sold my 4-place open sled trailer which saw 4 sleds or ATV's... Like I say EVERY time we get into this debate is this... I'm not pulling something 30 miles to the lake. I'm pulling a trailer 500 miles at a time up north. There's a HUGE difference in something being "acceptable" to tow a trailer and something that's meant to do it when it's highway, distance towing.

 

[Yaj Yak]

I got 9-10 in my 2011 1/2 to gas truck towing a 4,000# trailer and 8.4 towing my 22' enclosed with the 3/4 ton yukon... The mileage difference is negligible. The difference is that one did it pretty effortlessly while feeling planted on the ground, while the other spent 8 hours hunting between 4th, 5th and 6th gear deciding where it should be.

who cares if a transmission hunts for gears... you got there.. it figured it out... who cares if it shifts a bunch.

this is also a different argument because the 14/15's would get better gas mileage than your 11 did for sure while towing. even if it was 11-12. the difference between 8.4 and 10 or 12 is actually significant.

on a 36 gallon gas tank... on 8.4 gallons you're only going to make it 300 miles before you best be finding a place to refill... 10 or 12 and you're going 360-430... that's making it to hayward without refilling once from here.

120 gallons across 1,000 miles vs 100 gallons at 10 mpg is 20 gallons different... or $60 i can waste on vodka and fireball at a dive bar for that single trip. not to mention the half hour i didn't waste refueling in eau claire on the drive up.

 

[Yaj Yak]

I have a 22' Enclosed trailer that pulls cars, ATV's and sleds. Just sold my 4-place open sled trailer which saw 4 sleds or ATV's... Like I say EVERY time we get into this debate is this... I'm not pulling something 30 miles to the lake. I'm pulling a trailer 500 miles at a time up north. There's a HUGE difference in something being "acceptable" to tow a trailer and something that's meant to do it when it's highway, distance towing.

still though. lets say on the high side, that trailer weighs 4,000 lbs. chances are it's below 3500... sleds are 500-750 lbs each (if you enjoy fat sleds like your women... amirite [MENTION=16]PANDA[/MENTION]) 4x750 = 3,000lbs... and that's on the FAR heavy side of the situation... [MENTION=2616]Chester Copperpot[/MENTION]'s mxz weighs 500lbs with fuel and oil i'd bet, and [MENTION=340]Eagle[/MENTION]'s polaris is probably around the same as well.

ready to ride weight on any monster utility quad is going to be under 700lbs as well.

so even now, you're only at 7,000.

i just feel like people feel the need for excessiveness just to have it. sure the 3/4 ton trucks might "feel" a bit better while towing, but who cares when the 1/2 ton truck will get you there just fine without a whimper.

 

[Yaj Yak]

ps i still love your hillbilly ways and am enjoying this banter [MENTION=1983]Outlaw[/MENTION].

 

[Outlaw]

This is kind of one of those "agree to disagree" areas... There's also a pretty vast difference between the weight and frequency of the the towing that you and I do. From my experience, I prefer a 3/4 ton truck that's a bit overqualified for what it's doing, rather than a truck that handles like a sloppy dick and needs to hunt through gears to find enough power to move a light trailer up a 5* slope. That preference will be honored in my next truck purchase.

 

[Yaj Yak]

also. what the fuck way are you driving lake zurich to hayward and going 500 miles.

an option box to select for you for a brand new truck should be nav