Which one to get first: Stall or Gears...

[firemandan1700]

As you know I am going to put together a 6.0 but it won't be finished until probably the end of the year to spring if next year (due to some upcoming expendatures through out this year) but I would like to continue putting some upgrades in my car. As the title states... Stall or gear first.

I was reading some other posts on ls1tech and the answers were 50/50. So I wanted to bring the question to the homefront!

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[Yaj Yak]

thats tough. i know my buddies tbss with a stall became a whole new monster- but tbss's have 410 gears or something like that iirc...

but really i think your gears, as well as your stall, has to be pretty much mated to whatever engine/cam power adder you go with... you dont want to go super steep in gears and then turbo it... or something along those lines...

imo id wait- which iknow is tough, and ask 262/the boards for recommendations on everything as a complete package so it works together.

 

[Turk]

Stall would give you the most gains, as long as you have a sticky tire to go with.

 

[PANDA]

If you plan on blowing up the rear end or running it till it goes go stall. Save time and money in the long run. Why put gears in a stock rear end if you plan on making big power and blowing it up anyway? Put the gears you want in when you replace the rear end.

 

[EmersonHart13]

If you plan on blowing up the rear end or running it till it goes go stall. Save time and money in the long run. Why put gears in a stock rear end if you plan on making big power and blowing it up anyway? Put the gears you want in when you replace the rear end.

That is someadvice!

 

[blakbearddelite]

That is good advice. I upgraded from stock gears and then trashed the stock rear-end and ended up replacing the gears again. That was a waste of $500.

 

[Eagle]

Everyone here has it right...

Your rear end WILL go eventually if you start making bigger power, but simply putting different gears in will not protect against it failing. You really need to change up the axle to a 12b or 9in which is when it makes the most sense to change gear ratio.

Stall on the other hand, will net you a noticeable difference. But your converter generally isn't at risk of failing.

SO, if you'd rather save money for the inevitable rear end failure so you can keep the car on the road all season... then hold onto your cash. But if you'll have more $ at the end of the season to possibly replace a dying rear axle, then go for the stall now.

FastMotorSports is doing a group buy right now too, so its a great time to save a few bucks on a quality converter!

 

[OffshoreDrilling]

Keep in mind also, that if you change rear end gear ratio, it will effect how high the converter stalls as well. Moving to a taller gear (lower numerically) will increase the stall speed of the converter, moving to a shorter gear (higher numerically) will decrease the stall speed.

 

[willizm]

I made the decision to go with a stall first and let my rear tank because I knew i was going to go with a better rear anyway. Even if the rear on these cars were stout, i would still have gone with a stall first. Running a stall on the stock gear is still tons of fun. I think the ws6 auto's came with 3.23 rear gear which is still plenty fun. The regular auto T/A's had 2.73's so maybe those guys would have a better reason to upgrade the gear first before going with a converter.

My advice: stall first, gear later or let it grenade and buy a 12 bolt/9 inch/dana 60

 

[Mook]

stall

http://www.thechicagogarage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49018

 

[OffshoreDrilling]

stall

http://www.thechicagogarage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49018

x2, im on that list

 

[firemandan1700]

If you plan on blowing up the rear end or running it till it goes go stall. Save time and money in the long run. Why put gears in a stock rear end if you plan on making big power and blowing it up anyway? Put the gears you want in when you replace the rear end.

That is someadvice!

I agree!

stall

http://www.thechicagogarage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49018

I seen that... Thats another reason why I asked the question
So what size should i go with?


Paging Sir 262


btw... whats the trans cooler kit from b&m thats recommended when stalling?

 

[Alacran]

As you know I am going to put together a 6.0 but it won't be finished until probably the end of the year to spring if next year (due to some upcoming expendatures through out this year) but I would like to continue putting some upgrades in my car. As the title states... Stall or gear first.

I was reading some other posts on ls1tech and the answers were 50/50. So I wanted to bring the question to the homefront!

you need to setup both based on the cam/engine you want to run. Since you are tight on money and probably cannot upgrade the rear end i would recommend the stall first here.

 

[willizm]

I agree!



I seen that... Thats another reason why I asked the question
So what size should i go with?


Paging Sir 262


btw... whats the trans cooler kit from b&m thats recommended when stalling?

Most go with a SS3600(thats what I'm rocking anyway). Not sure what your mods are, but for a bolt on car, that is a pretty good stall to go with. I was thinking about going with a SS4000, but the one I got is nice. I believe the B&M kit is the 70264
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/BMM-70264/

The cooler comes with all the fittings and hardware you need. I mounted it right to the front of the radiator.

 

[firemandan1700]

Most go with a SS3600(thats what I'm rocking anyway). Not sure what your mods are, but for a bolt on car, that is a pretty good stall to go with. I was thinking about going with a SS4000, but the one I got is nice. I believe the B&M kit is the 70264
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/BMM-70264/

The cooler comes with all the fittings and hardware you need. I mounted it right to the front of the radiator.

Thanks for the link!

 

[Fast Motorsports]

If it were me I would get in on an SS4000 converter.

 

[firemandan1700]

If it were me I would get in on an SS4000 converter.

Now why would you recommend the ss4000? Just trying to learn the method behind the madness

 

[Fast Motorsports]

with an f-body most of the time you tend to put together a H/C package later that is a higher revving deal with peak HP numbers where a larger stall is needed. Also to get the weight of them motivated. Also, to make sure you size it to no need to step up later as you mod. Besides the 4000-4400 is one of the best they made for a motor or spray car

 

[00firebirdarev]

Stall..... And get a yank ss3600 or higher! Many people have good success with a 3600 same with a 4000! Also buy 2 of those ok and just let me borrow one for just a lil bit

 

[Fast Motorsports]

 

[firemandan1700]

Stall..... And get a yank ss3600 or higher! Many people have good success with a 3600 same with a 4000! Also buy 2 of those ok and just let me borrow one for just a lil bit

I'll let you rent it for 700 a month lol

 

[Bru]

I did stall first (SS3600) and gained about a half second in the quarter. I have 2.73 gears, too, which suck. I'm going to replace them this year with 3.73s. Yeah it will be on borrowed time, but with the amount I drive it and the limited track use I justified waiting another season to do the full rear end.

 

[willizm]

^I was thinking about just rebuilding the rear with 3.73's, but the thing that made me do the jump to a strange s60 was that I didn't want to baby the car in fear of breaking the rear end.

 

[GIMPY]

Stall.. I have a vigilante 4000 stall converter its a little to big for spray to be honest.. I spray my car with a baby shot (125) and it flashes to 5000. Car comes out of the hole good for stock suspension but falls on its face and thats with the stock 3.23 gears. If ur going to put a converter in the car spend the extra cash and get the yank like brandon said... Heard nothing but good things about them.

 

[CrunkMaro]

1st camaro: i did gears first...went from 3.42s to a 4.11--- (.43)
the converter came later...nevr got to run it at the track (wrecked) but good god it felt like a completely different beast...it was a 4000 which flashed around 4300 with the blower
(it was a v6 camaro)
2nd camaro: went to a 3.73 gear and ran a 12.7 @ 109 with a 2.1 60'...with an auto and 113k on the motor...intake/exhaust and a mail order tune from previous owner...this car is going some minor work but i will be getting a converter afterwords.
94 trans am: kept the stock 2.73s, threw in a 3600 stall (on accident...long story.) and ran a 13.4 @ 105with a 2.2 60' on street tires. stock everything minus flowmaster muffler.


moral of the story: do the converter first IMO. everyone else already stated not to throw money into your rear which is true (unless you do the labor yourself then its not THAT bad to throw in a couple hundo...i guess)
its a complete different car with a converter. you know that feeling you get in a ls1 at around 3500 or so where the car just kinda squats and goes...again? its like that but all the time. guaranteed you'll be happy with it.

theres a couple ways to mount the cooler...lots of people use the aftermarket in conjunction with the stock cooler (series) others just use the aftermarket. i use the series set up.
theres a method called the "dope" method over on ls1tech but can't imagine anyone in chi-town area getting away with that for too long.