Who's doing the Atkins or low carb deal??

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Did you see the link from webMD I just posted?? Im not wrong on this. And I have no desire to fight with you or let this run away. You are referring to me from like 4 years ago. And I have not been that guy for a long time, nor will I go back to that. People can change.

Understood. I did read it and i'm familiar with Keto. I agree that it has numerous health benefits, especially for people that are diabetic or have very low insulin sensitivity. The restrictions on carbs and protein result in an immediate, and normally very large, calorie deficit.

The main problem I have with keto is that it's rare for people preaching this diet to ever teach someone how to manage a total calorie deficit/surplus. More importantly, you don't normally hear about how to successfully end the cutting phase once your calories are bottomed out (after you've lost the desired amount)

I understand that your body is burning fat, but if you go from consuming 4000 calories/day before keto to 2500/day on keto, that is a sharp and unsafe decrease. You'll drop weight like crazy and your body will be in ketosis, but your metabolism will slow WAY down to keep you from practically passing out due to lack of fuel. Add in the fact that your sodium, potassium, and magnesium also decrease on a keto diet and it's an easy diet to mismanage.

Then...when you've lost the weight you want to lose...what's next? Are you going to switch to a balanced diet and slowly increase calories, or do what most people do and say "i lost 100 lbs, goal met, no more keto" with no knowledge of what their calorie intake has been over the last several months. More often than not, it's the latter, which is why it's common to bounce back HARD.
 

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That's why i always interject in these threads to make sure people are thinking about more than just being in ketosis and losing their goal weight.

100% agree. I can stay in ketosis by eating my fats and protein, but if I eat too many calories, I wont lose weight. I will stay in ketosis though. Thats hard for people to get. In order for ketosis to work, you need to be taking in less fat from calories than you are burning. This will always be true. Im consistently eating 1400 or so calories from fat a day, and I have been losing quite a bit of weight. Its been steady.

I dunno how i missed this post originally, but it's spot on. And yes it's hard for people to get.
 

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Understood. I did read it and i'm familiar with Keto. I agree that it has numerous health benefits, especially for people that are diabetic or have very low insulin sensitivity. The restrictions on carbs and protein result in an immediate, and normally very large, calorie deficit.

The main problem I have with keto is that it's rare for people preaching this diet to ever teach someone how to manage a total calorie deficit/surplus. More importantly, you don't normally hear about how to successfully end the cutting phase once your calories are bottomed out (after you've lost the desired amount)

I understand that your body is burning fat, but if you go from consuming 4000 calories/day before keto to 2500/day on keto, that is a sharp and unsafe decrease. You'll drop weight like crazy and your body will be in ketosis, but your metabolism will slow WAY down to keep you from practically passing out due to lack of fuel. Add in the fact that your sodium, potassium, and magnesium also decrease on a keto diet and it's an easy diet to mismanage.

Then...when you've lost the weight you want to lose...what's next? Are you going to switch to a balanced diet and slowly increase calories, or do what most people do and say "i lost 100 lbs, goal met, no more keto" with no knowledge of what their calorie intake has been over the last several months. More often than not, it's the latter, which is why it's common to bounce back HARD
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This is the keto struggle. You have to salt everything practically and you also need to take a decent multivitamin. I do this, and I seem to be balanced out good.

As for what happens when you reach your goal weight. Well this is something you may not understand because I assume you are not a fat guy. Being a fat guy, means you over ate and didnt exercise. And keep in mind it took me almost 20 years to get where I was.

With that being said, you cant go back to what you were doing pre keto. You need much less than you were taking in before. But you can still eat what you want going forward. People think they can go back to how they were eating before. I know I wont. This is a lifestyle change Im in now. I wont be eating triple cheese burgers either. I will be eating what I love in great moderation, but this time around adding in exercise and those dreaded other super foods I dont like. I take more pride in what Im putting in my body and I want to stay lean. If you dont get into this mind set, you are doomed to yoyo.

Keto has been great for me because I LOVE these fatty foods. But you cannot eat like this if you are not in ketosis. Then you are asking for high cholesterol and heart disease. Without ketosis, you will be storing all that stuff in your arteries.
 

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My problem was I put on the weight quickly.
I worked a very physical, dangerous job, 6'2" 185 for decades. I was never over weight my entire life.
Then my wife became terminal and I quit working immediately.
We ate out at least 2 meals a day, sometimes 3, and we went to a lot of casino buffets.
She wanted a banana split, I took her for a banana split.
She wanted cake for dinner, we had cake for dinner.
I went from 185 and strong, to 262 and weak in less then a year.

Now I need my knee replaced and the Doctor keeps giving me a hard time for being fat,
so I started the no sugar/carbs deal and I have never been so full in my life.
Like I said, I don't count anything, I stuff myself every meal and lost 44 lbs, which is frigging amazing!!!!

I don't know why other than what I read, but it sure as hell works great.
4 cheeseburgers and big ass bowl of jello for supper, and I bet when I wake up, my weight will not go up???


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Portillos double cheeseburger and soup and water
Burrito bowl. Double steak easy rice
McDonald's 2 scrambled eggs and 2 sausage
Taco salad with turkey meat, lettuce, taco sauce, cheese and 5 or less chips crunched and sprinkled on top

That's basically what I have been eating all week. Today is 1 week and I am down about 7 pounds. It's great.
 

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I'm going to be in for a rough few days :(
Sat & Sun at the track, Monday & Tues down south for the eclipse, and I'm not driving or supplying the food.
So I'll be eating celery Wed-Sun when I get home!!!!

I did start doing the lettuce sandwich and it really wasn't that bad.
Add a little more meat & cheese and I wasn't starving!!!


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I'm going to be in for a rough few days :(
Sat & Sun at the track, Monday & Tues down south for the eclipse, and I'm not driving or supplying the food.
So I'll be eating celery Wed-Sun when I get home!!!!

I did start doing the lettuce sandwich and it really wasn't that bad.
Add a little more meat & cheese and I wasn't starving!!!


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Thats what I do for the JJs unwich. Double meat and cheese. You need to join some Keto FB groups. People have all kinds of food ideas, especially for fast food. You can get a double or triple cheese burger and add bacon from just about anywhere. Just delete the bun and no fries.

Its actually easier for me to eat out on this diet, then it would be to cook at home. Im not a great cook (wife either), so when we cook keto its usually broiled chicken breasts and green beans with butter and salt.

When I eat out I switch between chipotle, wendys, jimmy johns and Mcdonalds.
 

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Portillos double cheeseburger and soup and water
Burrito bowl. Double steak easy rice
McDonald's 2 scrambled eggs and 2 sausage
Taco salad with turkey meat, lettuce, taco sauce, cheese and 5 or less chips crunched and sprinkled on top

That's basically what I have been eating all week. Today is 1 week and I am down about 7 pounds. It's great.

You have to delete that rice man. 1 cup or white or brown rice has 45g of carbs. Thats over two days worth of carbs. I tried to do the easy rice thing, and I plateaued on weight loss.

Your loss is probably mostly water weight. I lost 8lbs my first week.
 

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when you guys are restricting carbs like that what do you eat in-between when the cravings or legitimate hunger strikes? My go to has been bananas and avocados.

Believe it or not the Atkins brand bars and treats are great. I love chocolate and they have like 15 different kinds of brownies and granola type bars that have no sugar and little to no carbs. They even have chocolate candy thats awesome. I only eat that once a day or maybe twice between breakfast/lunch then between lunch/dinner.

See below. Stuff like this. Walmart sells all this stuff for cheap.

https://www.vitaminshoppe.com/p/adv...MIurGIyvrg1QIVBLbACh0i9g2jEAQYBSABEgIUwfD_BwE
 

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Man those Atkins bars were nasty for me
Also for dinner I start having a sandwich. Ham, salami, cheese on 1 bagel thin. Cut it in half and only use 1 half for the top and bottom. About 11 carbs and it feels me up.
The rice in my chipotle is maybe a 1/3 scoop at best. It's less than 15 carbs
So far I am averaging 1 pound a day loss. Still not in full keto yet. Almost there according to the pee strip
 

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I eat celery dipped in mayo.
Tastes better than pork rinds for a low carb snack.

I tried the Atkins coconut bars and they were fine.
Kind of small for $1 each, so I usually just stick to cheese or celery when I get hungry between meals.

I hate to cook, my wife was a trained cook, so I never cook.
Now that she's gone, I usually ate a ton of Chinese food which is too much rice & noodles.

Now I BBQ a bunch of chicken breasts about 75% done, then microwave 2-3-4 depending on how hungry in a little steamer.
Works great, and they are actually juicier than right off the grill.
I tend to over cook everything.
Same thing works for pork chops, or ham steaks.
I quit eating sausage & hamburgers, I was worried about all that nasty grease.

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Gained 8 lbs over the eclipse trip, but I did cheat my ass off, so no more snacks for me the next 7 days!!!
I ate pancakes, cake, cookies, and BBQ until I couldn't walk!!!!


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Im bout to cheat tonight for the first time in over a month. Im going to eat a whole fucking pizza. Not literally but I feel I want to. Then back at it tomorrow. SHouldnt take me more than like 3 days to get back into ketosis. Its easy now.
 

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If I don't cheat too much, I've had 2 big slices of pizza for lunch and didn't screw up the works.
It's only if I eat a bunch of bread or potatoes several meals then I screw up my system.

Like I said before, I'm no expert, but once my body gears up seeing no carbs, it stays on track.
I've never been so full in my life, 4 chicken breasts and some cheese for supper,
giant ass omelette for breakfast and I lose weight, what's not to like.
I admit it does get boring eating the same few foods over & over, but I was tired of seeing a disgusting pig every time I brushed my teeth!!!
Obviously sugar free jello is not as yummy as ice cream or coconut cream pie, but being fat was getting old!!!

Good luck with your pizza!!!



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Ya something doesn't make a lot of sense with this diet.
We went to a party and I cheated. I had one small corner piece of pizza, 1 cracker and a bunch of chips in cheese dip. Next day lost 1 pound. Sunday we had a party and I had a 2 pack of hostess ho ho's. Next day down 1.2 pounds. today down .2 pounds

At the first party the wife pigged out and she is was down 2 pounds the next day. And maybe another pound today.

I feel like the more carbs I have (within reason) the more I loose. Maybe because I literally grew up on carbs having pasta every night and sandwiches for lunch for the past 35 years.

still funny how jacked up your stomach gets after eating something you shouldn't. i kind of got that full feeling from that small piece of pizza. and from the ho ho's my stomach felt all funny. either way I'm down 15-20 pounds so far. Feel great. but this mcdonalds breakfast is getting old. Time to switch it up to something else
 

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I'm a pretty boring dude, so I don't mind eating the same few foods over & over.
Omelettes, hot dogs, ham steaks for breakfast every day.

I would rather be bored to tears, than keep dealing with all the blubber I was dragging around.
I've been stuck at 40-44 lbs for awhile now, but I also have been traveling every week lately.
Gained 8 at the eclipse W/E and already lost 6 of it, so I'm back at -42 lbs.
Haven't weighed today, but I did eat cookies & a big ass stew yesterday which are both full of carbs.
Ive been good today, plain hot dogs for breakfast, cheese for lunch.
I definitely miss bread, but it's worth it!!!


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I'm more of a rice & potato guy, and I LOVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE brown gravy.
I could eat mashed potatoes & gravy every day.

I also love pizza, my grandfather owned a pizza place in the city for 35 years.
I've ate a lot of left over and crank order pizzas growing up.

I used to eat a lot of pizza until I got old and developed an ulcer :(
I actually like the generic Jewel pizza almost as much as home run or other store bought pizza.
Deep dish is my favorite, but I hate waiting an hour.


Almost forgot. A buddy was showing our eclipse photo's to a friend of ours and his wife said what the hell happened to John??
She noticed immediately I lost over 40 lbs, and she made her husband call me about what kind of diet I'm on.


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Hit my 25 pound mark finally. Whoo hooo, I haven't been under 200 pounds in ummm i cant even remember how long it's been. Found a picture of me back in march...wow

I think together the wife and I are at a total loss of 85 pounds or so

So what are your go-to meals? Im good with the triple cheese from Wendys (no bun) and chipotle no rice/beans burrito bowl. Sometimes I splurge a tad and have the 8ct and 12ct nuggets from Chic-fil-a. But there is not much else I get.
 

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So what are your go-to meals? Im good with the triple cheese from Wendys (no bun) and chipotle no rice/beans burrito bowl. Sometimes I splurge a tad and have the 8ct and 12ct nuggets from Chic-fil-a. But there is not much else I get.

mcdonalds every morning
either 1 egg & 2 sausage

lunch:
portillos double burger no bun and salad (lettuce, croutons and cucumbers only)

dinner:
taco salad (i'll crunch up a few fritos in there; lettuce, cheese, meat), burgers no bun

on occasion i do have some carbs just to keep me sane. yesterday had a hot dog with a bun and a salad. last week i had a few fries from mcdonald's and a oreo mcflurry. earlier that week had a blizzard from DQ.

Vitners bbq chips from the vending machine. like 15-16 carbs. (these: Vitner's Snacks)

these poppable chips for a small quick snack; not high in carbs
https://www.target.com/p/lay-s-popp...OIxuLCOdkkfJM9H9RkBoCTPgQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

sometimes a few chips and salsa

coke zero sometimes, sometimes mix it with a little regular coke

sugar free jello snacks

cut back on the gum. no candy bars

we got some fat burgers that are pretty good. i know target has grass fed bubba burgers but i have yet to grab some. Had them once and they were great.

a pickle for a little snack

got some lo carb ice cream if i need something sweet. i have had maybe a few bites but it's those little tastes that help keep you feeling normal

lots of water and lemonade (crystal light)

taco bell. 1 cool ranch taco, 1 big empty bowl, 2 sides of chicken, 2 sides of lettuce, 2 sides of cheese and some mild sauce. less than $6 and filling (and a bag of the chips above)

aside from 1 drumstick and 5 fries I haven't had anything deep friend since april.

i feel i can "cheat" one meal a day. bag of chips, or something and it won't hurt. I feel the closer I get to say 20 carbs a meal the more I lose. That day I had the mcflurry i still lost weight. yesterday i had mcdonalds 1 egg/2 sausage, lunch was 1 hot dog with bun, side salad. dinner was a fat burger (they are pretty good) and some popper chips and lemonade. today i'm down .4
Edit: i had a bag of cookies from the vending machine at lunch, fuckers are like 38carbs but i was starving

also i go to mcondalds for lunch a lot. 2 big macs with extra pickle, extra lettuce and no bun. Sometimes extra sauce. cut it up and have a big mac salad. that's pretty decent. had it at the mcdonalds by the house and it sucked, the one by work is much better, no idea why.

that's really about it.
 

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So what are your go-to meals? Im good with the triple cheese from Wendys (no bun) and chipotle no rice/beans burrito bowl. Sometimes I splurge a tad and have the 8ct and 12ct nuggets from Chic-fil-a. But there is not much else I get.

I'll be starting back up with this come Sunday, I did it years ago hugely succesfully.

A couple other good choices:

Farm House Salad from Potbellies (Bacon/eggs/cheese salad, ranch based dressing)

UnWich from Jimmy Johns

Panda Exress with steamed veggies and most non-fried options (Its going to be a 15G Carb meal as a bowl, but its at least filling/good and fills the chinese cravings).
 
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