Mustang owners sue Ford, claiming 2016 Shelby GT350 overheats, loses power
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Post #191 seems pretty likely to me. Ford will just change the limp mode settings......
Post #191 seems pretty likely to me. Ford will just change the limp mode settings......
There are plenty of cars that can more than handle an auto cross or track day that aren't marketed as a car that can, seems like blatant false advertising. Also I think the fact that they've remedied it the following year seems like an admission of guilt.ok.
Or maybe people should buy a race car for the track not a street car.
admission of guilt? Ford can easily say it was improving the product to suit the customers demands.
Again still goes back to if the owner wants to track their vehicle that hard it should be up to them to purchase the vehicle setup accordingly. OR make the necessary improvements to do so.
I could see this being a case if they ALL over heated during normal daily street driving but they dont.
Ford should not be responsible for how the consumer uses their product. Thats one hell of a slippery slope.
Where do you draw the line what next ban all mustangs from the streets because some jackass cant drive leaving cars and coffee and plowed into a crowd?
Again still goes back to if the owner wants to track their vehicle that hard it should be up to them to purchase the vehicle setup accordingly. OR make the necessary improvements to do so.
I could see this being a case if they ALL over heated during normal daily street driving but they dont.
Ford should not be responsible for how the consumer uses their product. Thats one hell of a slippery slope.
Where do you draw the line what next ban all mustangs from the streets because some jackass cant drive leaving cars and coffee and plowed into a crowd?
If Ford started marketing the mustang as a vehicle that does sliding burnouts leaving car shows, then sure.admission of guilt? Ford can easily say it was improving the product to suit the customers demands.
Again still goes back to if the owner wants to track their vehicle that hard it should be up to them to purchase the vehicle setup accordingly. OR make the necessary improvements to do so.
I could see this being a case if they ALL over heated during normal daily street driving but they dont.
Ford should not be responsible for how the consumer uses their product. Thats one hell of a slippery slope.
Where do you draw the line what next ban all mustangs from the streets because some jackass cant drive leaving cars and coffee and plowed into a crowd?
my stock junk 14 year old s2000 handles track days like a champ. i didn't have to "track prep" my car, or buy the track pack. honda setup the cooling system to meet the needs of the car. meanwhile some shitbox $60k mustang can't go 15 mins without going into limpdick mode. but that's the customer's fault for not paying $7k more for a track pack, because oil coolers cost too much money to be standard.
should dodge be sued if someone breaks a drive shaft or half shaft at a drag strip? The hellcat is supposed to be the baddest drag car out currently right off the show room floor.
So should the be sued every time some owner breaks a part or something goes wrong at a track?
Where do you draw the line? IMO the answer is pretty simple.
Once a vehicle has been taken OFF the street and taken to a track all bets and warranties and liabilities and responsibility from the manufacturer is off the table. From then on its the customers responsibility and risk to whatever they subject the vehicle to.
Ford shouldnt have to pay shit here.
If the common problems were under normal street driving conditions then thats a different story.
Seems to me like Flyn said people just out chasing a pot of gold. Boohoo its always about the money indeed.
So should the be sued every time some owner breaks a part or something goes wrong at a track?
Where do you draw the line? IMO the answer is pretty simple.
Once a vehicle has been taken OFF the street and taken to a track all bets and warranties and liabilities and responsibility from the manufacturer is off the table. From then on its the customers responsibility and risk to whatever they subject the vehicle to.
Ford shouldnt have to pay shit here.
If the common problems were under normal street driving conditions then thats a different story.
Seems to me like Flyn said people just out chasing a pot of gold. Boohoo its always about the money indeed.
The money works both ways.
Owners want to be able to beat on their cars. Sometimes, to ridiculous extremes. Manufacturers should not be liable for abuse (unless they advertised similar abuses).
Manufacturers want to make money. Sometimes, they cut corners to make more. Sometimes, IMO (don't sue me), they know they are cheaping out. Sometimes they discover a problem after the car is in production and then cheap out.
Owners want to be able to beat on their cars. Sometimes, to ridiculous extremes. Manufacturers should not be liable for abuse (unless they advertised similar abuses).
Manufacturers want to make money. Sometimes, they cut corners to make more. Sometimes, IMO (don't sue me), they know they are cheaping out. Sometimes they discover a problem after the car is in production and then cheap out.
Buying a high HP car and not thrashing it some is like fucking a supermodel and stopping half way through.
^^^This^^^
I've tracked my 13 year old supercharged Marauder all day. Beat the living crap out of it and it never had an issue.
A Shelby GT350 should be able to handle a track day. I'd say it's pretty pathetic if it can't since its marketed as a performance track car.
I've never once seen a hellcat commercial where it's drag racing. It certainly should be able to do burnouts forever just like in commercials.
You can take a 99 Civic Ex to the track (if it's manual) and run it ALL day long. I'm sure you can argue the car only has 120hp, but it was over-engineered so there aren't any issues. It's just silly that a car *could* overheat at all. That's terrible engineering, it's clearly not able to handle the power it has.
I have not read the law suit. But I believe the motor cooling is fine. The issues are the rest end and transmission temps. I believe I read the trans temp limit was from Tremec. Ford puts the car into limp mode when they trans hits that temp. It was mentioned that Ford would refresh the computer with higher temps before it gets put u to limp mode. Seems that would be the easiest and cheapest solution for now. Then see of any transmissions have any failures later. I doubt that many get tracked and even less have issues as it is. Rebuilding a few transmission here and there might be easier and cheaper in the long run. I can't imagine paying lowest to deal with this would be cheaper. Hahaha
This is such an easy recall or campaign for dealer to fix , 4,000 cars is nothing . Send out a bulletin . Who ever wants the Trans upgrade gets it . Drop your gt350 off at the dealer . Done . Stop being ford haters , they put the temp sensors there for a reason .
The car is great enough on the track to overheat some shit .
The car is great enough on the track to overheat some shit .
I was thinking about the similarity between poor coolant flow in both cases, the head in the Terminator Cobras and the trans in the Shelbys.
If LDC was still in business and Dana was still with us, he and Lyle would have already designed a fix and I'd be selling it to the Shelby guys.
Not sure what's more typical, ford marketing the most capable track mustang ever yet telling people it's not meant to be tracked or 98Grandnutswinger making every excuse in the book as to why it's not fords fault.
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Actually, they added the track package to all the cars. So now all cars come with the coolers, magnaride, recaro seats, and so on. Now the options are just the electronics package stuff. And you can no longer get the seats that were offered in earlier years with the Tech Package. This is how the car should have been from the beginning. Making owners chose one or the other was lame.
The Track Package, which was previously an option, is now standard. Oil coolers, Magnetic suspension, Recaro seats. It solved a few problems with the car's packaging. Previously, you couldn't get the Track package with Sync 3. Nor the Tech package with the coolers and good Recaro seats. I believe the magnetic shocks were also optional and included on Tech and Track Pack cars but not the base one for 2016.
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