Des Plaines crash kills 4 people

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Still at work... :( However Channel 7 did update their website a little, including that she worked at Aon Hewitt (where again, my Mother works).

I guess they called everyone in to a conference room (which freaked my Mother out because the company was just bought a week or two ago, and she thought pink slips were being handed out), to tell them the news and brought in grief counselors.
 

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Such a sad story.

Really sucks as it seems like that kid probably shouldn't have been driving with his previous driving record.

Piotr Krzysztof Rog, 21:

ABC News reports on his record and then tries to portray him as one of us and blame street racing. Was this kid racing or just being stupid?

The I-Team learned that Rog had multiple convictions during the relatively short time since he first got his license. His state driving record, obtained by the I-Team, showed numerous moving violations for speeding well above the posted limit, running a red light and driving the wrong way on a one-way street.

And his state record showed three suspensions for too many violations in a short time, and the I-Team learned his license was suspended a fourth time last October due to an underage alcohol violation. His license was just reinstated from that suspension on Jan. 9.

He got one of his speeding tickets in 2015, about six weeks after he purchased a Mercedes C Class sedan that he was driving in last night's fatal high speed crash.

Rog's social media pages portray someone fascinated by high-speed cars and motorcycles, and daredevil stunts. A former Facebook profile picture was the motto "Smoke Tyres, Not Drugs," a popular saying for street racers.

Driver in Des Plaines fatal crash had multiple license suspensions | abc7chicago.com
 

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Unreal! AS much as his parents are equally reeling the loss of him, they have responsibility here too!

My Mother, back when I was 16, if I had amassed such a record, she'd have beaten my ass to the point where I wouldn't want to sit down, be it on the couch or in a car seat due to tenderness of the cheeks or something!!!
 

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This is being reported as the kid's FB page.

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100009305132685

From his mom's page, this gentleman has a very good comment:

Praying for everyone involved. As a seminary student and as a guy who is seeking ordination I think about how I could comfort both families. We can talk about recklessness at a later date but for now today in this moment is about love and about healing and mourning, five people touch lives and have left a void in the lives of many. Ii wish u the peace of God be with all of you may perpetual light shine on Piotr and may he rest in peace and may he rise in glory. Jesus promised that he would create another house for others he said that in my fathers house are many mansions if it were not so I would not of told you! Tj williams The riverside church NYC, seminary student at New York theological seminary and former adviser to the White House!
 

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Driver in deadly high-speed Des Plaines crash avoided license revocation | abc7chicago.com

Why was a 21-year-old suburban man with a terrible driving record allowed behind the wheel in a 100 mph crash in Des Plaines that killed three members of an Arlington Heights family in February?

Piotr Rog also died in the Feb. 16 collision.

The day of the deadly crash, Rog had a valid Illinois driver's license despite a dismal driving history; even worse than first thought. The I-Team has learned that state officials would have tried to revoke Rog's license in 2014 had he not been given court supervision for previous violations.

Three numbers added up to the horrific crash: 100, the speed that police said Rog was driving when he hit a car being driven by members of the Crawford family, killing all of them; two, the tickets in which Rog received court supervision, avoiding his license being revoked; and one: the local bar where Rog and a friend were said to have been drinking right before the calamity.

The sum of it all haunts Des Plaines Police Chief William Kushner.

"This is definitely the worst I have ever seen," Kushner said.

"He seemed to have a propensity for speeding," said Charles Beach, traffic and DUI attorney.

"It's just awful," said Dave Druker, of the Illinois Secretary of State's office.

Druker said it is a complex table of points-per-violation that determines punishment.

New state records obtained by the I-Team reveal that within five years Rog had seven moving violations, some for speeding much higher than the limit. His license was ordered suspended five times.

Records show on two occasions Rog received what is called court supervision and was allowed to attend traffic safety school, which meant those infractions were erased from his record and didn't count toward his points or a possible revocation.

"Supervision has no effect on your license, which is why it is the holy grail of a plea of guilty," Beach said.

"It's all prescribed by law, or statue, as to whether it's a suspension or a revocation, there's no arbitrary room for the Secretary of State to deviate on that," Druker said.

"What's even more rare about it is that he didn't have a revocation in there. Normally when someone has that many offenses in that period of time they get to the revocation situation," Beach said.

Rog had so many traffic violations that state officials said they would have moved to revoke his license following a lane violation ticket in Schiller Park in March 2014 and a speeding ticket six months later in Arlington Heights. After both he went to traffic safety school, preventing the tickets from being posted to his deplorable driving record and therefore avoiding revocation.

"He did seem to calculate, ya know, when he could be driving legally," Druker said.

On the night of the crash, after Rog's latest temporary suspension, his license had been legally reinstated less than a month earlier. Nevertheless, he was driving 100 mph in a 35 mph zone according to police, but might not have been there at all had his license been revoked.

"It was the timing of his particular tickets in relation to when the suspension went on that allowed him to avoid a revocation," Beach said. "He was working his way there but he wasn't there yet. In the end you can never account for every possibility."

The friend of Rog's in the passenger seat of his car in the Des Plaines crash is still at Lutheran General Hospital in a coma. Police haven't been able to question him.

Not all states use a point system and Illinois is one of the few to offer court supervision. Secretary of State Jesse White said he wants to reduce supervision which would keep potentially dangerous repeat offenders from taking advantage of the system.
 

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Bingo.

Good lawyers know all of the right prosecutors, judges, and law enforcement. They know how to play the system.

IL already has some of the harshest speeding laws in the US, 35+ mph is a fucking class A misdemeanor. The punishment is up to 1 year of jail and $2,500 fine. You walk into court with this without a lawyer, chances are the judge will tell you to come back with a lawyer. With a good lawyer, you will more than likely keep your license but expect to pay $$$.
 

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Bingo.

Good lawyers know all of the right prosecutors, judges, and law enforcement. They know how to play the system.

IL already has some of the harshest speeding laws in the US, 35+ mph is a fucking class A misdemeanor. The punishment is up to 1 year of jail and $2,500 fine. You walk into court with this without a lawyer, chances are the judge will tell you to come back with a lawyer. With a good lawyer, you will more than likely keep your license but expect to pay $$$.

I got a ticket for speeding 26 over a few years back. I went to court to just go plead guilty as I was really speeding and was fine with paying the fine.

They called my name, I walked up, Judge told me I was facing 180 days in jail and a $1,500 fine, and that he strongly recommends I return with a lawyer. Ended up being a $250 fine + $400 in "court costs" and lawyer cost me a couple hundred....so all in cost me $1,000 for a damn speeding ticket. Got knocked down to a smaller speeding ticket and supervision.

EDIT: Before all the holier than thou folks come out freaking out that I was speeding that fast...yes, it was fast. But it was like 6am on a weekend up in Lake County and there were no cars on the road.
 

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I got a ticket for speeding 26 over a few years back. I went to court to just go plead guilty as I was really speeding and was fine with paying the fine.

They called my name, I walked up, Judge told me I was facing 180 days in jail and a $1,500 fine, and that he strongly recommends I return with a lawyer. Ended up being a $250 fine + $400 in "court costs" and lawyer cost me a couple hundred....so all in cost me $1,000 for a damn speeding ticket. Got knocked down to a smaller speeding ticket and supervision.

...whyd you go to court if you were admitting guilt? just pay it?
 

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90 westbound every morning the two left lanes are doing 80 at least. in a 55. I have only ever seen a handful of cops there that early in the 2 years I've been going that way. Hopefully I never see one up front(knocks on wood)

I have no problem with people speeding as long as they are keeping up with traffic within reason. This ass hat was going 3x the posted speed limit.
 
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