2015 Chicago Bears Thread

[Blood on Blood]

Keeping Cutler
Trading out 1st round pick for 2nd and 3rd round picks.


Source: Voices in my head

 

[Primalzer]

Keeping Cutler
Trading out 1st round pick for 2nd and 3rd round picks.


Source: Voices in my head

You should be able to get more than a 2nd and 3rd to trade your #7 pick. You should be able to get a later 1st and another 2nd.

 

[Primalzer]

Mocks show him going anywhere from #1 down to around #18.

I'd prefer the Bears target someone like Grayson, who should be a 2nd day type of prospect, who's already stated he'd rather sit for a couple years and learn before making his start.

 

[Flyn]

Time to fill out the assistant coach spots. Bears upgrade at DB coach with Donatell.

Redzone:

Seasoned assistant Ed Donatell became the Bears' defensive backs coach Wednesday, replacing incumbent Jon Hoke, who will not return, Rich Campbell of the Chicago Tribune reports.

Donatell, 57, coached the 49ers' secondary the last four seasons, which coincided with Fangio's tenure as defensive coordinator.

Over that period, the 49ers ranked second in the NFL in opponent's passer rating (76.8), tied for second in interceptions (78) and sixth in passing yards allowed per game (218.2).

Donatell's secondary featured four Pro Bowlers — cornerback Carlos Rogers and safeties Donte Whitner, Eric Reid and Dashon Goldson. Whitner and Rogers established themselves with the Bills and Redskins, respectively, before joining the 49ers and becoming Pro Bowlers.


Donatell, who previously coordinated the Packers' defense (2000-03) and the Falcons' (2004-06), inherits a Bears secondary in transition. They drafted cornerback Kyle Fuller 14th overall last year, and safety remains one of the team's top needs given the relative lack of investment in recent years.

 

[Primalzer]

Glad they got a good position coach for Fuller, should really help his development and hopefully turn around Jennings. Jennings showed he can be a good corner, just have to get him back there.

There are a few good safeties in free agency. McCourty would be awesome but I don't think the Bears have the cap space to get him. There are plenty of young guy that would be an upgrade over the current crop of players, and with Donatell, hopefully they can turn that position around.

 

[Flyn]

Keeping Cutler
Trading out 1st round pick for 2nd and 3rd round picks.


Source: Voices in my head

If Mariota is still available at 7, Philly would trade a lot to move up from 20. You'd get at least the 20 pick and a 2nd rounder. Might even be able to get two 1st round picks if Philly is serious about Mariota being another Manning.

 

[Primalzer]

I can't remember which team (might have been the browns) traded one of their top-10 picks for a later first in that draft, another 1st in the next draft, and a 3rd rounder.

 

[Blood on Blood]

Keeping Cutler
Trading out 1st round pick for 2nd and 3rd round picks.


Source: Voices in my head

Sarcasm

 

[Gav'sPurpleZ]

If Mariota is still available at 7, Philly would trade a lot to move up from 20. You'd get at least the 20 pick and a 2nd rounder. Might even be able to get two 1st round picks if Philly is serious about Mariota being another Manning.

this is an interesting thought

 

[Flyn]

I can't remember which team (might have been the browns) traded one of their top-10 picks for a later first in that draft, another 1st in the next draft, and a 3rd rounder.

Washington to get RG3?

 

[Primalzer]

I just have a hard time believing that Mariota and Winston will fall, even to 7...

1. Tampa NEEDS a QB
2. Tennessee NEEDS a QB
3. Jacksonville can pass on a QB
4. Raiders can pass on a QB
5. Washington very likely would pick a Mariota or Winston if they fall
6. Jets NEEDS a QB

 

[Flyn]

Sarcasm

We know, Dave. Our simple, honest responses to your post are our level 2 sarcasm back at you. :smile:

 

[Primalzer]

Saw this on The Score's Twitter, was an interesting read about the defense that Fangio generally runs, the type of personnel he targets, and how it could possibly fit for the current Bears. Plus it's nice for a Bears fan like me that has grown up around the 4-3, and played in a 4-3 (albeit for my lone year of football), 3-4 is quite foreign. This is a nice explanation

(CBS) It’s impossible for the Bears to undo their recent history. The back-to-back seasons in which the defense allowed the most and second-most single-season points in franchise history will forever live in infamy. Former Bears general manager Phil Emery’s attempt to shift the paradigm and evolve into an offensive-oriented team was a failure.

New Bears general manager Ryan Pace, on the other hand, recognizes the team must get back to its roots.

“When you think about the Chicago Bears’ identity over the years,” Pace said, “it’s tough, physical defense, and we’re going to get back to that.”

True to his words, Pace went out and hired a defensive-minded head coach in John Fox, who then went on to hire Vic Fangio to coordinate the defense.

Fangio’s resume speaks for itself. He’s regarded as one of the league’s premier defensive coordinators and, judging by his recent history, is the ideal candidate to correct the course and align with Pace’s vision for the franchise.

Over the past four seasons in San Francisco, Fangio’s defenses ranked in the top five in yards allowed for four straight seasons and the top three in points allowed in three of the four seasons.

At its core, Fangio’s scheme is a 3-4 – also known as a “30-front” – predicated on brutally strong down linemen who can jar and occupy their opponent off the snap to not only keep inside linebackers clean but create single-block opportunities for outside linebackers to create pressure off the edge.

Behind this physical and instinctive defensive front, Fangio combines man and zone concepts – often on the same play – to create pre-snap confusion with the quarterback and give him a distorted image of what defense will actually unfold after the snap.

It’s not a foregone conclusion that the Bears will run a 3-4 under Fangio. Fox’s roots trace back to a 4-3 scheme, but starting in 2011 in Denver he began to run more 3-4 looks and evolved into somewhat of a hybrid scheme, which dovetails well with Fangio’s scheme that incorporates some 4-3 elements – primarily pre-snap alignments.

Recently, some Bears fans viewed a 3-4 scheme as a panacea. But that’s far from reality.

The core of the Bears’ previously dominant defense was built on a Tampa-2 foundation, which is diametrically opposed to a 3-4 in terms of the profile of athletes who are procured and deployed along the front. The Tampa-2 uses up-the-field one-gap shooters along the line and coverage droppers at the second level. A 3-4 uses two-gap space eaters up front and second-level run stuffers.

But given how bare the cupboard is on defense, there has never been a better time for the Bears to consider drastic change on defense from both a personnel and philosophical standpoint.

The advantages of a properly scouted, coached and executed 3-4 scheme can be vast.

By substituting a down lineman with a linebacker, defenses are able to raise the overall athleticism on the field. Finding traditional defensive ends to play in a 4-3 scheme (think Mario Williams) is both difficult and expensive, both in terms of draft position and eventual financial compensation.

At the collegiate ranks, there’s a larger number of linebackers and undersized defensive ends who can be converted to outside backers in a 3-4 (think Aldon Smith). In turn, this increases the pool of available talent, and it then becomes a matter of scouting departments identifying the right prospects who can be turned over to the coaching staff to for player development purposes.

From a schematic standpoint, a 3-4 affords flexibility to defensive coordinators both from an alignment and pressure standpoint.

When preparing for a 4-3 scheme, it’s nearly a foregone conclusion that all four down linemen will be a part of the rush. The challenge for the protection scheme then becomes deploying the proper rules on twists and stunts and identifying where second- and third-level pressure may come from. Within a 3-4, any of the four linebackers can easily be disguised and incorporated into the rush, which forces protection schemes to account for all – or none – of them on any given play.

Let’s step into the film room and take a closer look at Fangio’s scheme.

Here’s an example from the Eagles game. The Eagles come out in “12” (one running back, two tight end) personnel in a unit gun formation with LeSean McCoy offset to the left of Nick Foles.

On base downs (think first and second down or against “21” or “12” offensive personnel), Fangio typically uses 3-4 personnel in a 4-0-4 front. What is the significance of 4-0-4, you ask? It’s the technique of the defensive linemen. (Click here for a column I previously wrote about techniques, gaps and alignments. You might want to bookmark it.)

The three down linemen play two-gap responsibility, which means they’re attacking the player they’re lined up across from (opposed to one-gap, where defensive linemen attack the space in between offensive linemen), reading his leverage and occupying the immediate gaps to their left and right. The four-technique ends attack the offensive tackles, while the zero-technique attacks the center.

Like a 4-3, a 3-4 has a middle (Mike), weak-side (Will) and strong-side (Sam) linebacker, but it adds in a second inside linebacker known as a “Jack” backer. Typically the Jack backer is lined up to the open or weak side of the offensive formation and assumes more coverage responsibilities. The Jack backer is typically substituted for when the defense goes to nickel (five defensive backs).

The two inside linebackers line up over the uncovered offensive linemen – known as the “bubble” – in a 20-technique and read their post-snap keys. The first key is the running back, the second key is reading the helmet level of the offensive guard and the third is any offset alignment by a back. On run downs, they can fill the hole, spill the play from inside to out or scrape over the top of the pile to set an outside edge.

The outside linebackers play the most crucial role in Fangio’s scheme, not only from an athletic standpoint but from a recognition standpoint as well. Because they’re playing closer to the line of scrimmage, their reaction time must be nearly instantaneous. First, they must recognize the type of block they’re getting, then engage the blocker while keeping eyes in the backfield.

Against the pass, outside backers are used both in the rush package (typically the Will), as well as in coverage drops. The Will backer must engage his blocker – in many cases a tight end – read and disrupt his release.

If the tight end releases on a route and the Will backer is part of the rush, he must disrupt the release by getting his hands on his foe, then fixing his eyes on the setup of the tackle as he squeezes down the edge.

The Sam backer is typically a D-gap player in Fangio’s scheme who plays with force to set the edge against the run to force the ball-carrier back inside.

Fangio does show some elements of a 4-3 scheme with pre-snap alignments. He’s deployed over and under fronts, with the difference being the end man on the line of scrimmage is playing from a two-point stance.

Here’s an example of a 3-4 under front from Fangio, with defensive end Justin Smith playing a 3/4i-technique to the open or weak side of the formation, and the Will backer playing in a nine-technique from a two-point stance.

From this alignment, Fangio has given Smith – and other ends – both one- and two-gap responsibilities, but primarily his down linemen play with two-gap technique.

Behind these fronts, Fangio is fond of mixing his coverages, playing both man and zone principles with his underneath and deep defenders.

This example from the Cowboys game shows the 49ers in a single-high, six-underneath look, which typically signals zone to a quarterback. But in this case, Fangio is playing with man technique on the outside while the linebackers play zone in the middle as the single-high free safety lurks, reading the eyes and shoulders of the quarterback.

This coverage gives Tony Romo the illusion of zone, but it’s actually man, causing him to pause with throws to the perimeter as defenders squeeze down on his receivers.

In terms of pressure, Fangio doesn’t dial up many exotic blitzes. Instead, he relies on his down linemen to occupy blockers so his edge rushers can win single-block opportunities.

The Bears have some players along their defensive front who have experience playing in a 3-4 scheme — Lamarr Houston, Jeremiah Ratliff, Cornelius Washington and Shea McClellin.

However, independent of scheme, the Bears need a significant infusion of new (and preferably young) talent on defense. In a way, that’s good, as a switch to 3-4 would only change the profile of athlete Pace and his staff need to scout for.

Fangio’s hire signals a new commitment from the organization to match the rhetoric of becoming a legitimate contender. With more human talent in place on the coaching staff, now it’s time to get more where it really matters — on the field.

Dan Durkin covers the Bears for CBSChicago.com and is a frequent contributor to 670 The Score. Follow him on Twitter at @djdurkin.

 

[Flyn]

Nice explanation. I have some Fangio stuff saved, too. He plays a modified 3-4 which is even harder for the new style offenses to figure out. It's complicated but it gets results. From the success guys had in San Fran after they came from other defenses, it seems Fangio does a good job of teaching it.

3-4? 4-3? Over? Under? What does it all mean, and what do the 49ers run?

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On first and second down against run-heavy formations, the 49ers run a 3-4 defense, right? Well, not always...

Most of us have at least heard the terms "3-4", "4-3", and maybe even "Nickel" at one point or another. Many of us have a reasonable understanding of what these terms mean, even in their most basic form. We know that the first number refers to how many defensive linemen there are, and the second is how many linebackers are on the field. Sometimes this gets confusing though when you see guys line up in different positions or have different responsibilities.

In this post I'll do my best to give both a basic view as well as some more detail, so you can take as much information from it as you like. For some fans, the X's and O's of football don't really matter much, as long as the offense moves the ball, the defense stops the other team, and our team wins the game. Then there are the rest of us, who love the more intricate details and the inner-workings of the scheme, just as much as we love the highlights of scoring, turnovers and big hits.

For several years now we've all understood and agreed that the 49ers run a 3-4 defense in their "base" package. By base, we generally mean on first and second down, versus a probable run-play. In the Greg Manusky days it was Isaac Sopoaga, Aubrayo Franklin and Justin Smith up front, with Manny Lawson, Takeo Spikes, Patrick Willis and Parys Haralson as the linebackers. Franklin lined up over the center, engaging him while holding his ground and being ready to "shed" to make a play on either side of him. Justin Smith and Isaac Sopoaga lined up over the tackles and generally did the same thing: engage, hold, shed and make a play on either side.

Below is a diagram showing the alignment of the defensive line in a traditional 3-4, with the DEs playing a 5-technique, and the NT playing the 0-technique, as mentioned.

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This is in-fact a "true" 3-4 defense, known as a 2-gap scheme. It's called that because of the aforementioned responsibility of the defensive linemen to make plays on either side of them, in other words, in two gaps. More recently however, the 49ers front-seven has looked slightly different than this, specifically since Vic Fangio came aboard.

You'll notice that the nose tackle doesn't line up directly over the center most of the time, and the defensive ends (currently Justin Smith and Ray McDonald) aren't on top of the tackles as they were in the past. You might also have noticed that Aldon Smith often lines up on the line of scrimmage, sometimes in a three-point stance with his hand in the dirt.

Below is an All-22 endzone shot from the Super Bowl showing the 49ers lined up in an alignment that differs from the above image. You'll notice that Sopoaga is shading the center's right shoulder, McDonald is outside of the right tackle, and Justin Smith is between the guard and tackle.

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So what sort of defense is this? Brooks and Aldon Smith are both up on the line of scrimmage, looking poised to come forward. It's almost as if there are five men on the defensive line instead of three linemen and four linebackers.

What you see here is actually a 4-3 under front. The term "under" means that a defensive lineman is "covering up" the weak-side guard. "Over" would mean the strong-side guard is covered up. The strong-side is generally where the tight end lines up, or the side where the offensive formation has the most players. In any case, the under/over fronts differ from the 3-4 defense because they don't have defensive linemen directly over the tackles and center, as the first illustration showed.

Now, why is it suddenly a 4-3, even though the same three defensive linemen are on the field as they would be in a true 3-4? The reason is that the weak-side linebacker isn't really playing like a linebacker; he's more of a defensive end. Rather than being back off the line of scrimmage, roaming around waiting for the play to come into his area, he's going forward, trying to get into the backfield and either trip up the running back or sack the QB if it's a pass play.

In this case the weak-side defensive end is Aldon Smith. Now, Ahmad Brooks is also relatively close to the line as well. His job is to read the play and either cover the TE man-to-man if it's a pass, drop into a zone (if it's zone coverage instead of man), or read a run play and contain the edge or make a play. Because of his added responsibilities in coverage, he plays more like a traditional linebacker and thus isn't considered a defensive lineman.

The image isn't the best because it's a two TE set, making it a relatively balanced formation, but the 49ers obviously want to believe this is going to the right side. I say this because if the formation is strong to the offense's left, they'll shift the defensive alignment, like below.

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Here you see that the NT is shaded on the center's left shoulder, Justin Smith is outside of the tackle (instead of in the gap between guard and tackle), and McDonald is in the G/T gap. This mean's Aldon Smith has the outside linebacker responsibility of potentially covering the TE or dropping into zone, whereas Ahmad Brooks is the rush defensive end, charged with getting into the backfield and blowing up the play. Again, they flip the alignment based on the offensive "strength" side.

The beauty of the 4-3 under is that you can play it with essentially the same type of athletes as the traditional 3-4, to an extent. What we haven't touched on is the fact that while the true 3-4 uses 2-gap defensive linemen (as mentioned earlier in the post, making plays on either side of their man), the 4-3 under is a 1-gap principle. This means that each player is responsible for penetrating the gap in front of him, not standing and holding the point. The inside linebackers will handle anything that comes through the open gaps.

As I said, you can essentially play the under front with 3-4 personnel, but they must be guys who are capable of penetrating. The idea is that if they are a threat to penetrate the gap, the offense double teams them, taking a blocker out of the equation ... a blocker who could have otherwise released and tied up the linebackers. To a degree, a strong player who isn't the quickest penetrator can still play in a 1-gap system as long as he uses his strength to occupy two blockers. If he can't do that the offense will simply send the adjacent lineman off to clean up the linebacker, and now the running back is seven yards down the field, untouched.

The basic responsibilities of the 4-3 under players are as follows:

The most versatile player is the SAM (strong-side linebacker). He lines up on the outside shoulder of the TE, jams him at the line so he can't get a free release into the pass pattern, must drop underneath in zone coverage or cover man-to-man at times. Oh, and he must also be ready to rush the passer at any time if the call dictates it.
Inside of the SAM is the strong-side DE. This is a run-stopping, large man who's strong and hard to overpower. His job is to stop the run to his side at all costs. I'd say many traditional 5-technique DEs in the 3-4 can play this position, as well.
The nose tackle must be a large man who can withstand constant double-teams from the center and guard. Many 0-tech NTs in the 3-4 can also handle playing the 1-tech in an under front, but not all of them.
The weak-side defensive tackle basically needs to be Justin Smith. An unstoppable force who get's into the backfield no matter what you do to stop him. He needs to be the best interior pass-rusher you have, capable of penetrating easily against 1-on-1 matchups with the guard. Many 3-tech DTs in the 4-3 can play this position, but not many 3-4 5-tech DEs. Justin Smith is not human, however.
Finally you have the weak-side DE; in the 49ers' case, Aldon Smith. This needs to be your best edge-rusher, a beast 1-on-1 vs. left tackles and also a guy who can keep contain on the edge against the run. This is your double-digit sack man. Many pass-rushing 3-4 OLBs and 4-3 DEs can play this position, but they must be nearly unstoppable players.
It should also be noted that I did see the 49ers in a traditional 3-4 alignment as recently as the Super Bowl. It seems that Fangio likes to mix things up, which is why he favors versatile players on his defense. At this point in the NFL though, if you play DL you better be able to do it all if you want to have a long career. Few teams lack creativity and systems change with new coaching staffs and new teams, etc.

The good news is that the lines are somewhat blurred between players who only fit in a 3-4 or 4-3, especially if you have a rotation of players going into the game. An excellent 4-3 defensive end can play for a team like the 49ers now as part of a platoon along the defensive line since he would be great in their under front on the weak-side. All he has to do is line up on the weak-side and do what he's always done: get upfield and hit either the RB or QB while containing the edge.

Granted, having two guys who can play either side of the front is even better. The 49ers are doing this to a degree but it's easier for them because they don't ask much of their edge players in coverage. Still, a spot along the defense can be found for guys, no matter their skill set ... but it's the versatile players who stay on the field the most.

In summary, you'll see the 49ers run a mix of 3-4 and 4-3 under fronts based on the team, formation and specific offensive players on the field. It's just another way that the coaching staff modifies their approach to be as effective as they can be on a play-by-play basis.

Football University: 49ers base defensive front - Niners Nation

 

[Flyn]

Bears hire New Orlean's assistant coach to be their TE coach. They hire Denver's assistant strength and conditioning to be the Bears strength and conditioning coach. More good hires IMHO.

Redzone:

The Chicago Bears hired tight ends coach Frank Smith and strength and conditioning coach Jason George on Thursday, Rich Campbell of the Chicago Tribune reports..

Smith spent the last five seasons as an offensive assistant for the Saints. He assisted the offensive line, in particular. During his tenure, the Saints allowed 143 sacks, third-fewest in the NFL during that span.

Smith was the offensive coordinator/offensive line coach at Butler University from 2007-09. He was a three-year starter at Miami (Ohio) and graduated in 2004.

George was the Denver Broncos' assistant strength and conditioning coach for the last three seasons under new Bears head coach John Fox.

 

[Flyn]

Latest hires are Dowell Loggains as QB coach and Glenn Pires as LB coach. Bears continue to move fast and grab the guys Fox wants. Loggains is supposed to be one of the better QB coaches in the league. He coached Hasselbeck to his third best season and was OC with the Titans. Last year wasn't great for him as he was forced to wear an I'm a Dummy visor after mentioning that Cleveland ownership picked Manziel rather than the coaching staff. He may do better now that he's out of the train wreck in Cleveland.

Pires is another guy with years of experience in the league. Bears are going with veteran coaches for the most part. They're going to have an older coaching staff than most teams do with a lot of experience on the coaching staff.

e Chicago Bears hired quarterbacks coach Dowell Loggains and linebackers coach Glenn Pires on Friday night.

The Bears requested to interview Loggains for this job in 2012, but the Titans denied it. He spent one season as the Browns quarterbacks coach before they fired him on Jan. 8.

Loggains was the Titans' offensive coordinator in 2013 and the final five games of 2012. Before that, he served as their quarterbacks coach/passing game coordinator (2010-12) and as an offensive quality control coach (2008-09).

Pires spent the last seven seasons coaching the Falcons' linebackers. He has 19 seasons of NFL experience, including stints with the Dolphins, Lions and Cardinals.

 

[Primalzer]

If you guys get a chance, take a look at this graphic, and tell me how wrong you think it is. I mean seriously, fucking garbage it is. THIS is exactly why I don't trust ESPN for almost ANY analysis of the NFL.

Just have to click on the Bears, as it doesn't seem to do it for you.
The missing pieces: How many players away from the Super Bowl was each team?

Here's the worst part, their grades of the current starters...

ELITE: 0

GOOD:
DT Jeremiah Ratliff
TE Martellus Bennett
DT Stephen Paea
G Kyle Long

AVERAGE:
CB Tim Jennings
WR Brandon Marshall
WR Alshon Jeffery
C Brian de la Puente
DE Jared Allen
OLB Lance Briggs
S Ryan Mundy
C Roberto Garza
G Matt Slauson
DE Lamarr Houston
ILB Jon Bostic
OLB Shea McClellin
CB Demontre Hurst
RB Matt Forte
S Brock Vereen
TE Dante Rosario
S Chris Conte
DE Willie Young
OT Jermon Bushrod
ILB D.J. Williams
DT Ego Ferguson
OLB Christian Jones
G Michael Ola
WR Josh Morgan
WR Santonio Holmes
OT Jordan Mills

BAD:
DT Will Sutton
QB Jay Cutler
WR Marquess Wilson
CB Kyle Fuller

 

[Flyn]

It's 20 something y.o. wet behind the ears kids who write many of these articles (no offense to any young guys on here). Matt Forte and Brandon Marshall as "Average" players? Too funny.

 

[Primalzer]

You could argue that Marshall had a pretty average year, but Forte?! Are you kidding me? And Hurst ahead of Fuller? I mean I could go on and on with that article. Absolute garbage

 

[Blood on Blood]

It's 20 something y.o. wet behind the ears kids who write many of these articles (no offense to any young guys on here). Matt Forte and Brandon Marshall as "Average" players? Too funny.

Marshall has all the physical abilities to be a great receiver but has mental short comings like Mike Tyson.

Forte has difficulties breaking tackles and doesn't know how to bounce outside when a hole closes. He lacks explosiveness. Though he is a good check down back.

 

[Flyn]

Almost all WR1s are whack jobs. Seems to go with the territory. Marshall is an elite talent if he's healthy.

Forte, if used properly, would be top 5 every year.

 

[Blood on Blood]

Almost all WR1s are whack jobs. Seems to go with the territory. Marshall is an elite talent if he's healthy.

Forte, if used properly, would be top 5 every year.

He is used properly, check down back.

 

[Flyn]

Dave, you probably remember Walter Payton as much as I do. I'm hoping the Bears become a run first team and use Cutler (or whoever) as the 2nd option. If the new coaches can develop our O line to become run blockers first, Forte will show what he can do. He has the ability to be a top 5 back if they give him the ball 25 touches a game. Probably has two or three good years left in him.

 

[Flyn]

Bears keep Clint Hurtts and move him to outside LB coach. This is a strong indication that we may be seeing some kind of 3-4 DEF in Chicago in the next two years.

The draft will let us know for sure. If we draft a big LB with pick 7, it will show the Bears are heading in the 3-4 direction.

Bears: Clint Hurtt's new role could point toward change to 3-4 defense | CSN Chicago

 

[Primalzer]

Guy to keep your eye on, for the draft is Danny Shelton, big lump of a nose tackle, really impressed at the senior bowl