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Old 05-15-2019, 05:31 AM   #451
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Numbers are actually pretty decent. Wonder what will they run with basic bolt-ons and a tune...
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These acceleration times stack up favorably against some bigger, pricier guns, nearly hanging with a Chevy Corvette or a Porsche Cayman GTS through the quarter-mile and slightly outaccelerating the BMW M2 Competition and the Ford Mustang Shelby GT350. This doesn't come as much of a surprise, given that it is based on BMW componentry, but the revived Supra follows in the BMW tradition of delivering far better performance than its claimed power, and thus power-to-weight ratio, would suggest. For example, at 10.1 pounds per horsepower, the Supra outaccelerates the Chevrolet Camaro SS 1LE, which has 120 more horsepower, each of which is only taxed with 8.2 pounds. It's less a question of whether or not the Supra's 335-hp inline-six is underrated, and more about how much. Unfortunately, we have yet to test a BMW Z4 M40i to see how close the Supra is to the more powerful, "382-hp" six-cylinder Z4.

Although the horsepower rating is only 15 hp higher, the new Supra is quite a bit quicker than the revered Mark IV Supra Turbo from the mid-1990s, and—shockingly in today's world of almost always larger and heavier—108 pounds lighter, aided by its trimmer dimensions and lack of a rear seat. Our Renaissance Red test car weighed 3372 pounds, which is, impressively, a bit lighter than Toyota's claimed curb weight despite the fact that ours was a loaded Premium model, which pushed the as-tested price to $56,115.

However, Toyota hasn't divulged the coefficient of drag figure, and we'd guess by the way the Supra's high-speed acceleration tapers off that it isn't class-leading (all the fake vents probably don't help, but they would hurt more if they were real). By 100 mph, the Supra falls behind the Camaro SS 1LE and the M2, and, by 150 mph, the Supra is trailing those two by 1.5 and 3.2 seconds, respectively.

Despite wearing modestly sized Michelin Pilot Super Sport tires—that, yes, are branded with BMW's star (★) designation—the Supra averaged a heroic 1.07 g on the skidpad. That hangs with just about anything not wearing DOT-approved track tires like the Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 or Pirelli P Zero Corsas, and slightly better than the current top-dog Cayman GTS and BMW M2. Braking performance from 70 mph came in at a solidly impressive 148 feet, right in line with the front-engine competition, although the slightly front-biased Supra (51.5/48.5 percent front/rear) can't hang with the rear-biased Porsche Cayman or Boxster.

Welcome back, Supra. You've been missed.

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treed!!

Correct me if i'm wrong but hasn't BMW in the past posted HP numbers that were more close to WHP? If so this would be closer to 380 crank?
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I think BMW numbers aren't really under rated a ton. I think it is the average power and torque, coupled with the gear ratios, that really makes their cars accelerate well. Versus cars where they have peaky power production even though they are similar in peak power numbers.
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out accelerating a gt350? i thought this thing was going to get clapped by minivans. what happened to muh horsepowers?

i like the car, not a fan of using the supra name. supra should be 100% toyota. they're one of the largest car companies in the world, no reason to re badge a bmw
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best option to me thus far regarding this and it's bmw cousin is to snag a CPO Z4 in 3 years for 24k with 32,000 miles on it some chick drove to tennis lessons and whole foods.
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out accelerating a gt350?
The GT350 isn't a quick car from a dig. Lacks gearing and traction. The Supra probably hooks well and leaves easy enough with the auto trans.
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The GT350 isn't a quick car from a dig. Lacks gearing and traction. The Supra probably hooks well and leaves easy enough with the auto trans.
According to this thread horsepower number is the only thing that matters. Anything less than 450hp is too little and might as well go into the trash
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Numbers are actually pretty decent. Wonder what will they run with basic bolt-ons and a tune...
The B58 motor in there makes really solid power with a simple ECU flash, intake and downpipe. Those simple mods net roughly 430whp/500 ft/lbs of torque.
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Acceleration numbers like 0-60 don't mean much unless you're racing at a stop light on a public road. At a road course you're not launching from 0 anyway. I always look at trap speed at the end of the 1/4 to determine how fast a car is.

That said, I wouldn't say the supra will out accelerate a gt350.
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Is this really the engine bay of the new Supra?

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Is this really the engine bay of the new Supra?

Thatís why they put a cover over it. In its defense a stock 2j Supra is a hot mess under the hood as well.
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best part is most "lube techs" at a Toyota dealership can't even do an oil change on a Camry without fucking something up, this should be even better, and the regular techs even have problems with the FRS/86.
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After lashing down Toyota’s new sports car, we discovered that, even with the power-sapping driveline losses of its transmission and rear axle, the Supra puts down 339 horsepower and 427 lb-ft of torque at the wheels. That’s slightly better than the 335 horses Toyota said the car would produce at the crank and a considerable jump from the 365 lb-ft the company promised. While modern drivetrains have become highly efficient at transferring power, the extra power that the Supra is putting to the ground helps explain its impressive accelerative ability.

For our test, we headed to Livernois Motorsports and Engineering in Dearborn Heights, Michigan. We strapped the Supra to the Dynojet all-wheel-drive dynamometer, as the car's stability systems only play nice when all four wheels are spinning. For this observation, we ran the test in the eight-speed automatic transmission's fifth-gear ratio of 1.32:1 to achieve a full sweep of the tachometer. We experimented with the 1.00:1 ratio of sixth gear but were unable to reach the engine's redline. The power output in sixth gear, however, matched our results of those in the higher gear.
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that's a pretty neat torque number
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So is this going to beat a minivan or no?
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Just like every other BMW they under rated it. That torque number is real nice!!
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I'm surprised more people aren't commenting in here on the power numbers it put down on the dyno. Seems like so many people, including me, were bagging on the stated power numbers on this car compared to the z4. Seeing it grossly underrated I think helps create some buzz. Wonder if a tune and bolt ons would easily start seeing 450whp. Time will tell I suppose.
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The numbers for the engine isnít really the biggest deal. Yes some would agree it should be higher...... but for 60 grand it 100% needs to be higher given the way it looks.

The car looks like crap, itís a bmw rebadged with some body kit changes. Then they give it horsepower LS cars had in 2000. Itís the entire package thatís crap not just that one thing.

If it was simply horsepower it could easily be overlooked. The previous version was not powerful stock either, we are just used to seeing 1500hp as standard for supras. But 60k, and ugly car, and low horsepower = crap.
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i dont even think there's a good enough shaking my head gif i could find to convey my feelings.
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The car could make 600hp (I mean it would help), but my stance has largely remained the same....even more after attending the auto show...I just dont think its a particularly great looking car in stock form.
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Don't get me wrong, I agree it's very much still a body kitted BMW. That to me will always be the sticking point to this car, but power was always a sore spot for people comparing it to the output of the z4 which given the dyno probably means they are very much the same or similar output levels all together. I won't be selling my poopra any time soon I'll tell you that
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