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Old 01-16-2019, 04:12 PM   #251
 
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I'm assuming that piece of glass goes up...but I guess I could be wrong. If not, yeah...not sure how you'd fit anything in there.
I saw a pic of the trunk open last night. It wasn't much wider than the space between the center of the taillights. Looked awfully small.


Of course, I can't find the picture easily now. lol
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2019 Toyota Supra vs 1993 Toyota Supra: How they compare on paper

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We've been spending quite a bit of time comparing the 2019 Toyota Supra with various other sporty machinery, but perhaps the most important car to weigh it against is its direct ancestor, the 1993 Toyota Supra Turbo. Some of our editors have already weighed in on this topic, but we also wanted to look at just the raw numbers between the two, and they reveal some interesting facts.

First off, while the new Supra is more powerful, it's not ahead by much, with just 15 more ponies. But the extra 50 pound-feet of torque are probably noticeable on the butt dyno. The extra shove and twist, coupled with a quick-shifting eight-speed automatic and 18 fewer pounds of heft pay dividends in acceleration, as the new model hits 60 mph a half second quicker than the old model. Keep your foot in it and the old model will hit a higher top speed, but that's just because the new one's speed limiter is set lower.

On a twisty track, the new Supra appears to have advantages, such as its lighter body with a perfectly split weight distribution. The old one is a tad nose heavy in comparison. The new one is also about 5 inches shorter overall with a roughly 3-inch shorter wheelbase, while also being slightly wider. This should make it pretty nimble when corners get tight. The new Supra has more tire to work with, too.

Perhaps the biggest surprise is that, taking into account inflation, the new Supra is about $20,000 cheaper than the fourth-generation car. That's just in comparison to a 1993 Supra, too, as they would get considerably more expensive in the following years. And considering the prices the old ones are commanding, the fifth-generation Supra is still the cheaper car.

There are certainly arguments that the 2020 Toyota Supra still isn't a proper successor, but that's for another time. This time, we're just looking at the numbers.
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Glad Nissan didn't take the same approach as Toyota. 295hp R35 would have been a beast LOL
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"we here at nissan still adhere to the gentlemens agreement from the 90s...so here is the all new nissan skyline, making 296hp. It weight over 4000 lbs so you KNOW it will be a monster. Please gives us 60k."
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The issue I have is the price and performance. Call it whatever you want, $50k for a 335hp base toyota is absurd.
A Porsche 917 Cayman GTS starts at like $81k and gives you 360 hp. That is $225.00 per hp.

The 1993 Supra adjusted was $70k and made 320 hp. That is 218.75 per hp.

A Miata RF Grand Tourer starts at like $33k and gives you 181 hp. That's $182.32 per hp.

The 2020 Z4 starts at $66k and makes 385 hp. That is $171.43 per hp.

The Supra starts at $50k and is 335 hp. That is JUST $149.25 1per hp.


So the Supra is obviously not priced correctly, it is a bargain!

So I am not sure what you are complaining about?



I guess if you are really worried about HP and car cost, the Nissan Versa is under $13k and makes 109 hp. That is a ridiculously cheap $119.27 per HP.



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Toyota’s styling between the supras has really gone 180*. Round, subdued, but not boring to edgy, sharp and “in your face”
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Its really crazy that Toyota released a car with auto trans only for the crowd that are the most automatic transmission haters .
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The interior beeps and sounds are exactly like a bmw. There’s a guy doing a walk around on a grey Supra and it’s the same as a regular bmw. I get the drivetrain is something borrowed and I could forgive that but when the interior bits and sounds are identical from a bmw that’s where it comes off as just lazy.

Edit: below is the video, listen when they pop the hood at 9 min mark
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A Porsche 917 Cayman GTS starts at like $81k and gives you 360 hp. That is $225.00 per hp.

The 1993 Supra adjusted was $70k and made 320 hp. That is 218.75 per hp.

A Miata RF Grand Tourer starts at like $33k and gives you 181 hp. That's $182.32 per hp.

The 2020 Z4 starts at $66k and makes 385 hp. That is $171.43 per hp.

The Supra starts at $50k and is 335 hp. That is JUST $149.25 1per hp.


So the Supra is obviously not priced correctly, it is a bargain!

So I am not sure what you are complaining about?



I guess if you are really worried about HP and car cost, the Nissan Versa is under $13k and makes 109 hp. That is a ridiculously cheap $119.27 per HP.



We’re comparing Toyota prices/power to bmw and Porsche now ?? Lexus maybe...not Toyota
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Toyota targeted the Porsche 718 for development of the Supra.




And I threw in a $13k car as well. There is no pleasing you! hahaha
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A Porsche 917 Cayman GTS starts at like $81k and gives you 360 hp. That is $225.00 per hp.

The 1993 Supra adjusted was $70k and made 320 hp. That is 218.75 per hp.

A Miata RF Grand Tourer starts at like $33k and gives you 181 hp. That's $182.32 per hp.

The 2020 Z4 starts at $66k and makes 385 hp. That is $171.43 per hp.

The Supra starts at $50k and is 335 hp. That is JUST $149.25 1per hp.


So the Supra is obviously not priced correctly, it is a bargain!

So I am not sure what you are complaining about?



I guess if you are really worried about HP and car cost, the Nissan Versa is under $13k and makes 109 hp. That is a ridiculously cheap $119.27 per HP.





From this perspective, a new low to mid $40k Mustang GT is at basement bargain pricing.
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Man, this car is getting torched online.

https://jalopnik.com/heres-every-fak...pra-1831804258
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From this perspective, a new low to mid $40k Mustang GT is at basement bargain pricing.
I didn't want to include them as I would just get accused of nut swinging. Haha
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Thats what bugs me the most. Fake vents for a fake toyota. If they would have made them all functional I would have been able to respect this car so much more.
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Lets advertise that a RACING team is making the car, and then plaster aesthetic only parts all over it that serve no function at all!
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Lets advertise that a RACING team is making the car, and then plaster aesthetic only parts all over it that serve no function at all!
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https://jalopnik.com/heres-every-fak...pra-1831804258

The Toyota Supra's Blocked-Off Air Vents Can Be Made Functional, Says the Chief Engineer
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So you spend $55k and there's still "some assembly required"
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Toyota targeted the Porsche 718 for development of the Supra.




And I threw in a $13k car as well. There is no pleasing you! hahaha
They just said that to make people think the Supra would punch above its weight class. One is a Porsche. One is a Toyota. A name is worth something
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So you spend $55k and there's still "some assembly required"
probably better to not have holes open all over that most people wouldn't benefit from anyway
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How would there not be a benefit? This isn't McLaren Senna level of aero design where you have to driving 180+ to see 2000 lbs of downforce. They're design cues that if functional, would provide undisturbed airflow around the side of the car and in the wheel wells that would at the very least aid in increased fuel economy for the way 90% of the owners would be driving this car.
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Someone must take a stand for fake vents! My voice will be heard!!
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