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Old 08-02-2017, 08:11 AM   #226
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I know. Maybe the uninformed should keep their mouths shut and opinions to themselves.
Maybe you should inform us of the exact reason you're on strike?
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i feel like they have like twelve times in this thread
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How come I've never seen a thread where someone says their going to ask for a raise and everyone jumps in and shits on them?
Absolutely nothing wrong with asking for a raise to better your life, as long as you feel it is fair. It is the way people go around it.

I think it is ridiculous that someone could just not show up to work one day because they're unhappy about it. And then expect to get their job back after abandoning it. If I don't like my salary, I go and make a case for why I should get more. If I don't get more money, then I find somewhere else that will pay it. Free market is the best for everyone involved. Imagine the cost savings if unions weren't in the picture. How much do you think it costs for unions to serve as middleman? I don't have a clue, but I bet it is a ton. That money could be going into the pockets of the workers. It seems like for every benefit of a union, there is an equal disadvantage.
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i feel like they have like twelve times in this thread
I just read the last few pages and I didn't see anything exact.
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Saw the picket signs, seemed to be mostly at GM dealerships.

Got my oil changed in the RS yesterday, were no pickets at Ford.
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Saw the picket signs, seemed to be mostly at GM dealerships.

Got my oil changed in the RS yesterday, were no pickets at Ford.
there's really a fair amount of ford & gm dealers, as well as others.

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quick search on that list is 27 chevrolet, 25 ford.
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I'm just here to shit on @Nate
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What gets me is how quite a few always make it an us(union) vs us(nonunion). When in reality, we all are trying to make a good living. Stop pitting yourselves against each other like enemy's. When in reality, lots of companies treat their employees like crap.

Eh, I'm going to bed. Shit just falls on deaf ears.
Fair enough....but public sector unions go beyond that. They are the enemy if you live in IL and pay taxes.
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So many people almost seem to brag working 50,60 or 70 hours a week and on a salary of 40. There's nothing noble about that at all.
Would depend on how high the salary is, no? Someone working 60 hours a week making $150k a year is getting paid better per hour than someone making $70k a year working 40 hours.
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I think it is ridiculous that someone could just not show up to work one day because they're unhappy about it. And then expect to get their job back after abandoning it. If I don't like my salary, I go and make a case for why I should get more. If I don't get more money, then I find somewhere else that will pay it. Free market is the best for everyone involved. Imagine the cost savings if unions weren't in the picture. How much do you think it costs for unions to serve as middleman? I don't have a clue, but I bet it is a ton. That money could be going into the pockets of the workers. It seems like for every benefit of a union, there is an equal disadvantage.
They aren't working because they don't have a contract essentially. Unions usually have an agreement with the company that dictates how workers are paid and what rules and benefits there are between the company and the workers. Granted they don't have an agreement because they aren't happy so you're partially correct. I think it's funny how different unions work. Most go on strike the first day the old agreement lapses, yet rail workers haven't had a new agreement in almost 3 years and they haven't gone on strike yet.
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So many people almost seem to brag working 50,60 or 70 hours a week and on a salary of 40. There's nothing noble about that at all.
If there were to be only one thing out of this entire thread that I agree with, it would be this. This is also where I understand the need for unions where companies keep playing the "just a little more hours, just a couple more" every year and next thing you know, you're working on projects full time racking up 60 hours a week yet you're salary exempt. fuck that
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yeah, been there, did that, bullshit.
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Yup, one of the reasons I like my hourly job.
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If there were to be only one thing out of this entire thread that I agree with, it would be this. This is also where I understand the need for unions where companies keep playing the "just a little more hours, just a couple more" every year and next thing you know, you're working on projects full time racking up 60 hours a week yet you're salary exempt. fuck that
Its a fair statement, but what if you're looking to make say $200k a year? What path is there to make that much without working 60 hours a week? There are probably a few opportunities out there, but there can't be many.
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Its a fair statement, but what if you're looking to make say $200k a year? What path is there to make that much without working 60 hours a week? There are probably a few opportunities out there, but there can't be many.
If you're on track to make 200k by working that much OT, you should be badgering upper management for a senior/C-level position because not only are you cranking out that much work, you're also making the company a shit ton of money due to your work. COO that gets his hands dirty. Whoda thunk it.
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If you're on track to make 200k by working that much OT, you should be badgering upper management for a senior/C-level position because not only are you cranking out that much work, you're also making the company a shit ton of money due to your work. COO that gets his hands dirty. Whoda thunk it.
Yeah...thats my point. If you're salary, and making $200k...you're expected to put in 60+ hours a week. So you can either make that much hourly with a shit load of overtime (elevator repair maybe), or by getting into upper management (director, VP, etc.) and working 60+ hours.

But no one makes that kind of money without putting in a shit load of hours....for the most part.
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Wow CL for replacements. What dealership is that?
Based of the center of that location it's probably Sherman Dodge. Or there is the Toyota dealer just south of there at Touhy & Cicero
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Fair enough....but public sector unions go beyond that. They are the enemy if you live in IL and pay taxes.
So are private sector unions too. Uncle Sam bailed out GM and Chrysler. This was primarily the fault of the UAW not being flexible with the market, which put the American manufacturers at a competitive labor disadvantage. There's a lot of companies that have went to the shitter due to unions. The most recent one I can think of here in Chicago is Hostess.

In the case of this strike, the costs will be passed onto the consumer as it always is.
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So are private sector unions too. Uncle Sam bailed out GM and Chrysler. This was primarily the fault of the UAW not being flexible with the market, which put the American manufacturers at a competitive labor disadvantage. There's a lot of companies that have went to the shitter due to unions. The most recent one I can think of here in Chicago is Hostess.

In the case of this strike, the costs will be passed onto the consumer as it always is.
While I agree, I also feel like GM, Chrysler, and Ford should have broken ties with the UAW decades ago. They are partially at fault for letting it get to that point with the unions....
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While I agree, I also feel like GM, Chrysler, and Ford should have broken ties with the UAW decades ago. They are partially at fault for letting it get to that point with the unions....
They could have fired them all similar to what Reagan did in the 80's to the controllers, but that would have crippled their manufacturing operations. Plus it takes years to build and tool plants. The manufacturers have shifted operations to the right to work States in the South and South America, but that's another discussion in itself.
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They could have fired them all similar to what Reagan did in the 80's to the controllers, but that would have crippled their manufacturing operations. Plus it takes years to build and tool plants. The manufacturers have shifted operations to the right to work States in the South and South America, but that's another discussion in itself.
Would have crippled operations for a period of time for sure, but probably would not have been as bad as it got in 2008. (We'll never know)

As soon as the foreign manufacturers started building plants on US soil, the big three should have taken drastic measures to stay competitive. Instead they went business as usual, knowing that the foreign manufacturers were using non-union labor at a cheaper cost. Short sighted management!!
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So is the issue that without the unions artificially inflating the wages, workers would get screwed by letting the market determine their rates?
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If there were to be only one thing out of this entire thread that I agree with, it would be this. This is also where I understand the need for unions where companies keep playing the "just a little more hours, just a couple more" every year and next thing you know, you're working on projects full time racking up 60 hours a week yet you're salary exempt. fuck that
When stuff like that happens I do one of two things.

Get the OT cleared in writing, or turn off my phone.

I'm salaried non-exempt. So I still track my hours, even though my paycheck is largely the same each time.
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Update from the picket lines at Sunrise. Looks like some tech are on strike from the strike.
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