there was obviousely a problem with an IC.. maybe several.. please discuss this via PM. and when a conclusion is drawn, then post it.. until then, please keep the arguing off of the boards..
And being one of the people with an IC, of course I want to know what happens.. I just don't want any of this on the boards... when something has been decided, then post it.
I am serious about this.. if something negative is posted again, I will be forced to take action.
Thanks!
John
And being one of the people with an IC, of course I want to know what happens.. I just don't want any of this on the boards... when something has been decided, then post it.
I am serious about this.. if something negative is posted again, I will be forced to take action.
Thanks!
John
Ok I won't add any negitive comments towards anyone here.
1) Mike if your IC was flawwed then why did you sell it to another member on this board? If i'm this member I would be extremely pissed at you and be demanding money back.
2) I was supposed to be one of the first 5 cores out there but after changing my mind a few times I got in on the second batch seems like a good thing. I was also told that any changes or upgrades made would be taken care of and I would only have to pay the extra cost of the upgrade.
3) One said that they wouldn't recommend anodizing it the other said it wouldn't hurt. So take that for what you will.
4) I didn't like the idea of messing with the core like that so I didn't anodize.
5) I'm going to be helping John remove his core this weekend and we'll see how his core looks,i'm sure he has a good 12k or more on the IC now.
6) Those of you saying that your zzp core didn't fall apart,Zoomer made a post on clubgp that said that if ran dry his also would do the same so becareful with your ZZP core also.
Well hope I don't get in trouble in this post
1) Mike if your IC was flawwed then why did you sell it to another member on this board? If i'm this member I would be extremely pissed at you and be demanding money back.
2) I was supposed to be one of the first 5 cores out there but after changing my mind a few times I got in on the second batch seems like a good thing. I was also told that any changes or upgrades made would be taken care of and I would only have to pay the extra cost of the upgrade.
3) One said that they wouldn't recommend anodizing it the other said it wouldn't hurt. So take that for what you will.
4) I didn't like the idea of messing with the core like that so I didn't anodize.
5) I'm going to be helping John remove his core this weekend and we'll see how his core looks,i'm sure he has a good 12k or more on the IC now.
6) Those of you saying that your zzp core didn't fall apart,Zoomer made a post on clubgp that said that if ran dry his also would do the same so becareful with your ZZP core also.
Well hope I don't get in trouble in this post
i sold it before i knew about the problem, I was blamed for not sealing the ICOriginally posted by gtphale@Jun 2 2004, 09:25 PM
Ok I won't add any negitive comments towards anyone here.
1) Mike if your IC was flawwed then why did you sell it to another member on this board? If i'm this member I would be extremely pissed at you and be demanding money back.
2) I was supposed to be one of the first 5 cores out there but after changing my mind a few times I got in on the second batch seems like a good thing. I was also told that any changes or upgrades made would be taken care of and I would only have to pay the extra cost of the upgrade.
3) One said that they wouldn't recommend anodizing it the other said it wouldn't hurt. So take that for what you will.
4) I didn't like the idea of messing with the core like that so I didn't anodize.
5) I'm going to be helping John remove his core this weekend and we'll see how his core looks,i'm sure he has a good 12k or more on the IC now.
6) Those of you saying that your zzp core didn't fall apart,Zoomer made a post on clubgp that said that if ran dry his also would do the same so becareful with your ZZP core also.
Well hope I don't get in trouble in this post
I finally got the answer I need yesterday. I did not post it until now because I needed to settle down a little before I tended to this rediculous thread.
There is no way possible that anybodies intercooler with out anodizing is harmed in any way. This is from the Vice President of Engineering of the design team of my intercooler and many other high powered and super stock vehicles. John is checking this weekend, which is fine with me. But at least everybody can rest assured, that this is the same quality IC you bought in the beginning.
Now, for the people who got anodizing, this is the ONLY possibility that me and the engineer could come up with. When they anodized them, maybe the prep tanks needed to begin the anodizing were not kept up to there proper chemical balances, then MAYBE this is what made the fins brittle. Aluminum does not crack, it melts. And there is no way anyone here will be melting 3003 aluminum. We are one of the slowest types of cars running this type of core that this company has ever made one for. So we are the last people who should worry about it.
Since I found a possibilty of it being my products fault, I contacted those people last night and already offered them to a new core with no anodizing at no charge.
This is the answer to everybody's question.
What some special people did not realize, is that this whole time, I was on everybodies same side to this. In the mean time of me getting information, all this crap was posted and tried to make me look like a bad person. I needed to know this way more than anybody else. Do you really think I would continue to sell a product that is falling apart and just dig my grave everyday? Mike was your core falling apart when you took it off? NO, it was not. When I last talked to J/O about it, I told him that I was not leaving him in the dark, but I needed to find more info before I handed out a free IC----------As any smart company would do------------- So the shoulder for you to cry on, just ended.
So now I ask, what a waste of everybodies time, huh? Sounds fair to me.
So you can pull your IC's off and look at them if you want, but I would not bother.
This was a promise, and I ALWAYS STAND BEHIND MY PRODUCT
Any mature questions I do no mind answering, but now on this waste of thread.
Royal: decking is some word people just made up. Milling is the proper word. Basically a final finish to ensure a good mounting surface and a continual surface flatness for no vaccuum leaks.
-LATER
There is no way possible that anybodies intercooler with out anodizing is harmed in any way. This is from the Vice President of Engineering of the design team of my intercooler and many other high powered and super stock vehicles. John is checking this weekend, which is fine with me. But at least everybody can rest assured, that this is the same quality IC you bought in the beginning.
Now, for the people who got anodizing, this is the ONLY possibility that me and the engineer could come up with. When they anodized them, maybe the prep tanks needed to begin the anodizing were not kept up to there proper chemical balances, then MAYBE this is what made the fins brittle. Aluminum does not crack, it melts. And there is no way anyone here will be melting 3003 aluminum. We are one of the slowest types of cars running this type of core that this company has ever made one for. So we are the last people who should worry about it.
Since I found a possibilty of it being my products fault, I contacted those people last night and already offered them to a new core with no anodizing at no charge.
This is the answer to everybody's question.
What some special people did not realize, is that this whole time, I was on everybodies same side to this. In the mean time of me getting information, all this crap was posted and tried to make me look like a bad person. I needed to know this way more than anybody else. Do you really think I would continue to sell a product that is falling apart and just dig my grave everyday? Mike was your core falling apart when you took it off? NO, it was not. When I last talked to J/O about it, I told him that I was not leaving him in the dark, but I needed to find more info before I handed out a free IC----------As any smart company would do------------- So the shoulder for you to cry on, just ended.
So now I ask, what a waste of everybodies time, huh? Sounds fair to me.
So you can pull your IC's off and look at them if you want, but I would not bother.
This was a promise, and I ALWAYS STAND BEHIND MY PRODUCT
Any mature questions I do no mind answering, but now on this waste of thread.
Royal: decking is some word people just made up. Milling is the proper word. Basically a final finish to ensure a good mounting surface and a continual surface flatness for no vaccuum leaks.
-LATER
Alright, I received my pulley system and will probably do my ic install this weekend. I picked up some flared fittings and Parker Push-Lok hose for the fuel rail.
Thanks Brian for getting the information out and taking care of your customers that *might* have a potential problem (anodized).
Later,
Mike
Thanks Brian for getting the information out and taking care of your customers that *might* have a potential problem (anodized).
Later,
Mike
LP is doing the right thing by replacing the anondized cores if there is any truth to that being hte problem. I have an anondized one laying around somewhere in my garage that has never been intstalled yet? Is there anyway to test it before replacing it, or should it just be assumed that its going to break? I don't want to make anyone do more than they have to; however, it sounds ike there's no way to tell for sure if its going to let go or not.
I think everyone should be happy that things are probably going to work themselves out. So far it seems the person in the most danger was J/O and as far as anyone can tell his engine is ok even though some metal went through it, but he should really check it out NOW to make sure. If something happens 10K miles from here, theres no way to know what caused it.
LP I understand the reason for not saying anything publically; however, from talking to J/O and Mike they have totally different versions of what you are saying here. I'm not implying anything more than maybe the private communications could have went better to have mitigated this from blowing up on the web forum asi t did.
I hope everyone gets straightened out now so that we can go back to making fast cars!
I think everyone should be happy that things are probably going to work themselves out. So far it seems the person in the most danger was J/O and as far as anyone can tell his engine is ok even though some metal went through it, but he should really check it out NOW to make sure. If something happens 10K miles from here, theres no way to know what caused it.
LP I understand the reason for not saying anything publically; however, from talking to J/O and Mike they have totally different versions of what you are saying here. I'm not implying anything more than maybe the private communications could have went better to have mitigated this from blowing up on the web forum asi t did.
I hope everyone gets straightened out now so that we can go back to making fast cars!
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