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3800 P.O.S. GTX never fails
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imported_snoop
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HOLD ON FELLAS, LET THIS GUY FINISH TELLING US THE STORY ABOUT PEOPLE BLOWING UP MOTORS BECAUSE OF INTERCOOLERS. I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON CARS FOR A LONG TIME NOW, AND I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF THIS. I LOVE TO HEAR NEW STORYS THOUGH.
WHAT I REALLY THINK IS THAT HE HAS BEEN SMOKIN TOO MUCH OF WHAT IS IN HIS NAME.
SO LET US KNOW XTTC, LETS HEAR THE STORYS HERE, WE ARE ALL WAITING.
WHAT I REALLY THINK IS THAT HE HAS BEEN SMOKIN TOO MUCH OF WHAT IS IN HIS NAME.
SO LET US KNOW XTTC, LETS HEAR THE STORYS HERE, WE ARE ALL WAITING.
wow, some people need to calm down before they post.
maybe you read me wrong, im not knocking the IC. all im trying to say is maybe there CAN be too much of a good thing.
as for the comment about letting someone who knows what they're doing have it: im very confident in my mechanical skills and knowledge, you dont know me so dont start. the knowledge i lack pertains to the SPECIFIC KIT and how it fits together.
maybe you read me wrong, im not knocking the IC. all im trying to say is maybe there CAN be too much of a good thing.
as for the comment about letting someone who knows what they're doing have it: im very confident in my mechanical skills and knowledge, you dont know me so dont start. the knowledge i lack pertains to the SPECIFIC KIT and how it fits together.
WTF..
This thread sucks.
PPL need to realize that the IC did not lead to any sort of damage.
Mike knows that running a 2.8" pulley makes mucho boost Which in turn can cause things to go boom or to blow out.
Lp blew up because he got Timing happy and leaned out too much. Not because of HIS IC..
IC's do not blow up cars. All an IC does is allow for you to run smaller pullies and add more timing safely TO A DEGREE!!!
OUr cars are pretty much pushed to their limits stock. Imagine adding all this other crap to the mix..If your gonna play you gotta pay.
Look at INTENSE.. I wouned how much $$$ they have dropped trying to go fast.
Imagine how much they have blown up..
This thread sucks.
PPL need to realize that the IC did not lead to any sort of damage.
Mike knows that running a 2.8" pulley makes mucho boost Which in turn can cause things to go boom or to blow out.
Lp blew up because he got Timing happy and leaned out too much. Not because of HIS IC..
IC's do not blow up cars. All an IC does is allow for you to run smaller pullies and add more timing safely TO A DEGREE!!!
OUr cars are pretty much pushed to their limits stock. Imagine adding all this other crap to the mix..If your gonna play you gotta pay.
Look at INTENSE.. I wouned how much $$$ they have dropped trying to go fast.
Imagine how much they have blown up..
The IC is a great piece of work.
This is one of the cheapest and probley best intercoolers on the market if what Brians saying is even partially true.
Dont bash this great IC.......this is not his primary job......hes got a family, house, kid, etc................
Especially, when hes givving it to all ILGPC members for a real good price.
I also agree with others on here. its not the IC fault for messing up the car.....It is adding tons of power and that is what you paid for and want. It is the stock components that are failying because they are not engineered for this amount of power.
An IC, and a 2.9-2.7 pulley = a ton of power........only the big boys who can pay to play, play here. All others need not apply.
This is one of the cheapest and probley best intercoolers on the market if what Brians saying is even partially true.
Dont bash this great IC.......this is not his primary job......hes got a family, house, kid, etc................
Especially, when hes givving it to all ILGPC members for a real good price.
I also agree with others on here. its not the IC fault for messing up the car.....It is adding tons of power and that is what you paid for and want. It is the stock components that are failying because they are not engineered for this amount of power.
An IC, and a 2.9-2.7 pulley = a ton of power........only the big boys who can pay to play, play here. All others need not apply.
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I agree with everything you said alex..
And as much as mike disagrees with me, Im sorry but i still think that running a 2.8 or 3" pully without headers and/or a cam is asking to blow something up...Intercooler or not you cant expect to force that much air into a motor that cant get it out fast enough...things will pop...unfourtunatly it was your head gasket.
And well LP is just crazy and got a little to happy with his happy knob (i would of probably done the same thing though..lol)
you wanna play you got to pay..simple as that
And as much as mike disagrees with me, Im sorry but i still think that running a 2.8 or 3" pully without headers and/or a cam is asking to blow something up...Intercooler or not you cant expect to force that much air into a motor that cant get it out fast enough...things will pop...unfourtunatly it was your head gasket.
And well LP is just crazy and got a little to happy with his happy knob
(i would of probably done the same thing though..lol)you wanna play you got to pay..simple as that
jon does have headers on his car, thats a good point with the manifolds. i agree with that also, ported manifolds are great- but i dont know that they flow enough to prevent damage when you're forcing all that air in. j/o has headers right? hes cammed, and has a built trans-
on the other hand: with 120k on the clock something is bound to go anyway, and the extra pressure would still be there with headers and would more than likely have the same result.
jon has half the mileage on the car than mike has, probobly the biggest thing im worried about is his tranny.
on the other hand: with 120k on the clock something is bound to go anyway, and the extra pressure would still be there with headers and would more than likely have the same result.
jon has half the mileage on the car than mike has, probobly the biggest thing im worried about is his tranny.
many of us wish we were JO with all his fo shizzle on his ride.
I dont know if its just me or not, but I once listend to a guy who use to race profeesionaly for 20 year(major sponsors and all), and he said he would never modify a car wiht out DOING HEADERS.
More specifically, we were talking about my car and my goals of betting the car CAMMED, IC, and some headers. He asked my which i was going to do first, and I responded that I really didnt look into it that much yet.
Well, the point he made to me were very valid IMO.
Look at our cars, with us throwing such super small pullies on their, our stock manifolds absolutley BLOW. Throwing a IC or CAM and then asking those manifolds to keep up with all that extra volume of air is not that good whatsoever.
He also said if you get a cam, sure the duration of lift is long, but you still have a major blockage in your system......Our shitty manifolds........
He told me to do it right and get rid of our shitty manifolds and put on headers b4 a cam of IC..........ESPECIALLY, since we have FI......wich make things even worse.
So this is the route I am taking.......headers(done), Trans, CAM, and IC......
I will be getting the trans done this fall when i get my job, and the rest hopefully by the end of next summer.
Jeeesss, I hope my post didn't mislead anyone to think i was saying IC's are blowing up motors.
All I am saying is that once you start doing modifications like IC's and cams and when you start ripping the motor apart to add things, problems will occur, and money is going to be spent fixing things.
It is inevitable, and the thruth.
I think a IC is a good option and I think LP's is really good for the price, I think everyone should get it if they are prepared for any consequences. Just like if you are prepared for the consequences of a 3.4 pulley. Even though that is a lot safer.
It's like any mod, just be prepared for any consequences.
J/O, were you reffering to me about sellling my car?
All I am saying is that once you start doing modifications like IC's and cams and when you start ripping the motor apart to add things, problems will occur, and money is going to be spent fixing things.
It is inevitable, and the thruth.
I think a IC is a good option and I think LP's is really good for the price, I think everyone should get it if they are prepared for any consequences. Just like if you are prepared for the consequences of a 3.4 pulley. Even though that is a lot safer.
It's like any mod, just be prepared for any consequences.
J/O, were you reffering to me about sellling my car?
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you DO NOT need headers for a 3.0" pulley. i dont know where anybody got that from. you dont need a cam, you dont need headers, you dont need anything but money to get it. i have been running a intercooler for about a year now with a 3.0" pulley on the car with no problem at all except for a 02 sensor that got carboned up from my car never getting about 150*. i have a 3.0 pulley, 2.5 exhaust, and a FWI. that is it. stock EVERTHING ELSE even down to the plugs. there is nothing wrong with my car at all, so no you do not need anything but money. the car can take. headers just help that is it, it is not a neccesity. the head gasket went because of the miles and the extra power it saw(can you blame it), and the piston broke, like i said before, because the 02's where in the 700's and he had 22* of timing. those are the reason for problem. there is no such thing as a intercooler fucking up a motor unless it was installed wrong which is NOT the case here.
i know that nobody knows me here, and because of that nobody with listen, but i have had my fair share with these motors and have done alot with them so this is just my $.02. take it for what it is worth.
i know that nobody knows me here, and because of that nobody with listen, but i have had my fair share with these motors and have done alot with them so this is just my $.02. take it for what it is worth.
you all make good points. and snoop, as long as you are giving usefull information i do listen. low 900s are optimum 02's for this motor correct? that seems crazy high to me, i know most cars would be running PIG rich with 02s like that. any explaination for this?
also snoop- your car is running great, and i beleive that- but if you were to throw a cam in there with the IC and stock manifolds do you honestly think that is the ideal setup, or at least can handle the flow properly? and if you were to throw headers on your car, you would see INCREDIBLE gains- much more so than other setups.
also snoop- your car is running great, and i beleive that- but if you were to throw a cam in there with the IC and stock manifolds do you honestly think that is the ideal setup, or at least can handle the flow properly? and if you were to throw headers on your car, you would see INCREDIBLE gains- much more so than other setups.
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This thread is so aggrivating this is the last time im posting in here, there is so much misleading information in this thread its not even funny.
I might not be a certified mechanic or be able to tear down our motor and put it back together but I do know what combinations work on our car and dont...
Snoop Just because youve ran with a 3.0 pully for a year and havent had any issues (yet) that still dont make your setup right...
And I will backup my statement at the track this summer, Id like someone to prove me wrong, I challenge anyone with a 3.0 pully and no headers to line up next to me and well see whos combination works better. intercooled or not, i dont care.
I can admit when im wrong, so prove that im wrong.
I might not be a certified mechanic or be able to tear down our motor and put it back together but I do know what combinations work on our car and dont...
Snoop Just because youve ran with a 3.0 pully for a year and havent had any issues (yet) that still dont make your setup right...
And I will backup my statement at the track this summer, Id like someone to prove me wrong, I challenge anyone with a 3.0 pully and no headers to line up next to me and well see whos combination works better. intercooled or not, i dont care.
I can admit when im wrong, so prove that im wrong.
I wish you 2 would sell yours!!!
Let someone who knows what there doing have it...i'm sick of your little BABY ass comments!!!
nothing wrong here!!!!
IF, and thats a big IF I blow mine up, it will be the intercoolers fault, cause it gave me soooooooo much more power to blow sht up.
h34r: [/b][/quote]I did not quote you Jared, so I gueess it was NOT aimed at you, right? Read it again. "I" = ME!!!!
Waiting for someone else to blow there sht up, is fkn lame sht!!!!!!!!!
To add alittle bit more I can understand why J/O is getting pissed, some idiot is talking crap about his motor blowing which is something noone wants, or wants to afford. But the other stuff shouldnt matter, just a lot of nonsense about their "special set ups"... who really cares. Like you said Joe, Just let the track times speak for them selves.
WOW this just turned into SHIT
also when you put on a IC the air is going through the core therefore the boost drops. so now i had 10lbs of boost before ith IC with 3.25 and about 5 deg of knock
now i have 11 lbs of boost with a 3.0 and Ic with no knock
so where is the extra pressure your talking about JOE?
if i ran 3.25 with IC i would have about 4-5 lbs of boost NO FUN
IC is the boost restriction there fore you have to run smaller pulley to get the same bosst as NON ic guys
and Xttc200
DUDE dont wish shit on people cos it will come around and bite you in the ass twice as hard.
maybe your car wont start up ater IC install, but dont come here crying for help
also when you put on a IC the air is going through the core therefore the boost drops. so now i had 10lbs of boost before ith IC with 3.25 and about 5 deg of knock
now i have 11 lbs of boost with a 3.0 and Ic with no knock
so where is the extra pressure your talking about JOE?
if i ran 3.25 with IC i would have about 4-5 lbs of boost NO FUN
IC is the boost restriction there fore you have to run smaller pulley to get the same bosst as NON ic guys
and Xttc200
DUDE dont wish shit on people cos it will come around and bite you in the ass twice as hard.
maybe your car wont start up ater IC install, but dont come here crying for help
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dude, i hope you are not pissed at me. i was just stating a point. my setup is not wrong at all. tell me how it is, i and will fix it. what i really need to do is put a smaller pulley on because i am still rich as hell and with intercooled boost, i could be in the high 800's with no problem.
and as far as your challange,
, i am game. i will even race you with the 20's my bad, i did not mean to piss you off if i did graffix.
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imported_GraFFix
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Not at all snoop...we all have opinions, that doesnt mean I have to agree with yours nor do you have to agree with mine, thats the beauty of this forum.
I was simply stating that from what Ive experianced, read and seen with our cars, I believe your setup is wrong. It might work but performance wise (which is why were all here isnt it?) I would bet any money that your setup is hurting your performance more then helping it..again this is my opinion.
this is why I wanted someone to prove me wrong..I dont have headers, I dont have an intercooler...I run a 3.25 daily with ported manifolds. So I want to compare somone running a 3' pully to my 3.25 and well see who comes out on top. Like i said I am man enough to admit when im wrong I just want someone to prove to me that im wrong. because honestly, I dont think its going to happen.
Its all good...see you at the track
I was simply stating that from what Ive experianced, read and seen with our cars, I believe your setup is wrong. It might work but performance wise (which is why were all here isnt it?) I would bet any money that your setup is hurting your performance more then helping it..again this is my opinion.
this is why I wanted someone to prove me wrong..I dont have headers, I dont have an intercooler...I run a 3.25 daily with ported manifolds. So I want to compare somone running a 3' pully to my 3.25 and well see who comes out on top. Like i said I am man enough to admit when im wrong I just want someone to prove to me that im wrong. because honestly, I dont think its going to happen.
Its all good...see you at the track
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