Interesting New Control Arms from ZZP

[TommyGloves]

http://www.zzperformance.com/grand_prix/products1.php?id=986&catid=138

I hope the welds are better than some of their exhaust products.

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[Ron Vogel]

That design is kind of stupid actually. They put a poly bushing, a solid spherical, and a weak stock ball joint on it. They didn't even brace it at the bend...it's going to naturally fold in there.

I went with a bigger ball joint for a reason...it is stronger and costs less. A triangulated part is only as good as every point. You can get pairs of the stock ball joint for $30 shipped, or the better MOOG ones for about $50ish shipped (each), whichare still half as strong as the circle track standard press fits that cost only $12 a piece.

Cracks me up, I wouldn't run anything higher than 350hp with that.

 

[Mickey]

You need to get a patent on yours and then send zz a pic of yours telling them they're noobs.

 

[Ron Vogel]

It doesn't matter. I used to get burned up by Zoomer all the time. I have been an internet "adversary" of his for going on 7 years now. I'm through with it. I got to a point last year where I just said fuck it; I really don't need to prove anything to anybody. I'd rather just enjoy the ride and have fun than worry about it all the time.

I'm not trying to bash them, just stating how I see the design.

PS: the ball joint pictured is an import I can get for $20-30 a pair. Company is called OEL

 

[RICH17]

these dont look like the prototypes i seen on there site last year. they looked alot beefier and better

 

[Alacran]

I am not too worried about the balljoint b/c i already have MOOG but one more bar to support the weld/bend and keep it from growing under load would be great.

 

[phat_ridegt]

i think they would help with launch control, and the ball joint could just be replaced with a moog unit if someone was concerned about it.

however....500 bucks is a bit much for me....

ron-any opinion on the thrasher style torque arms?

 

[FlyinGTP]

No thanks i will pass on that. They way its bent makes it inherently weak it should have extra bracing at least. The tubular lower control arms i made for my GTP use a larger ball joint and have mounting points similar to a h body or f body lower front control arm and don't use a large sweep bend to the front. However i had to tig weld new bracketry to my sub-frame for this control to work.

 

[02BlueGT]

No thanks i will pass on that. They way its bent makes it inherently weak it should have extra bracing at least. The tubular lower control arms i made for my GTP use a larger ball joint and have mounting points similar to a h body or f body lower front control arm and don't use a large sweep bend to the front. However i had to tig weld new bracketry to my sub-frame for this control to work.

Pics please

 

[Ron Vogel]

i think they would help with launch control, and the ball joint could just be replaced with a moog unit if someone was concerned about it.

however....500 bucks is a bit much for me....

ron-any opinion on the thrasher style torque arms?

I made my own several years back. They work really well, I just went the LCA route to use them on the street too.

 

[FlyinGTP]

Pics please

I'm in michigan at the moment so i don't have acess to my car. I used to have some pics of them up on my fquick page.

Without a tubing bender and dies and a good welder it will be quite difficult to duplicate.

I orginally purchased the bender to build some stuff for my jeep project. I built a roll cage, bumpers, roof rack rock sliders, but it wasn't until i did some custom long arms that i got the idea to build tubular control arms for the gtp.

I used a jd2 model 4 tubing bender. It works very well here is a link to the site.http://www.jd2.com/

 

[TeknoTrouble]

these dont look like the prototypes i seen on there site last year. they looked alot beefier and better

Cant imagine how bad the prototypes looked. Eek!

 

[GLIKENNY]

I made my own several years back. They work really well, I just went the LCA route to use them on the street too.

would you be interrested in makin another set????

 

[smug]

left a nasty reply in the clubgp thread

 

[Ron Vogel]

would you be interrested in makin another set????

I'd make them, it's easy. The tabs to mount the bars need to be welded onto the chassis though.

 

[Yaj Yak]

left a nasty reply in the clubgp thread

get em dan!

 

[Fish]

I want some of your medicine. Seriously, Ive never had the good stuff before.

 

[smug]

honestly, zoom is pissing me off about as much as people that take the bumper support bars, and core support braces off, then daily drive the car and dont blink an eye at it. Do you think GM did what they did for no reason? I prefer not to die if i ever get in a collision.

 

[smug]

I want some of your medicine. Seriously, Ive never had the good stuff before.

ha ha its the best high you will ever get. If you want some go do something stupid and end up in surgery lol.

 

[Yaj Yak]

honestly, zoom is pissing me off about as much as people that take the bumper support bars, and core support braces off, then daily drive the car and dont blink an eye at it. Do you think GM did what they did for no reason? I prefer not to die if i ever get in a collision.

high five.

I cannot imagine taking out my front bumper support no matter how much power i needed. just dumb.

 

[smug]

high five.

I cannot imagine taking out my front bumper support no matter how much power i needed. just dumb.

or the rear, the rear is way weaker then the front. Or how bout, my w-body handels like poop, how about reinstalling all the bracing on the car, thats a good start.