3800 Ported Gen3 vs Gen5

[Kyle]

Have they ever been compared head to head? A stock genV and a zzp gen 3?

just curious if there was much difference.

By how everyone acts it seems that the gen v is more sought after, but you cant really judge on that alone.

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[zooomer]

Add lower blower rpms, you won't see any difference with porting a blower and only a very small difference with the Gen 5.
As blower rpms increase, a ported gen 3 with matched intake can give 20HP and a stock Gen 5 another 20 on top of that. The clearance from rotor to casing is tighter on a gen 5 than on a gen 3.

 

[imported_1fastGTP]

so if you have a ported gen 3 its pretty much the same as a gen v? but if you get the gen v ported its just another 20hp over that? because i got the zzp stage 4 blower, and you guys took that off and now just have the stage 3. whats the difference between all that?

 

[zooomer]

NO. A ported gen 3 (like what you have is worth 20HP max over a stock unit). A Gen 5 would give another 20HP max, over what you have. There are no proven gains from porting a Gen 5.

 

[Kyle]

I think I get it, but just to be sure understand your wording.

Ported Gen 3 = Potential 20 HP
Gen V = Potenial 40 HP

correct?

 

[tonys99gtp]

Originally posted by Kyle@Sep 14 2006, 12:34 PM
I think I get it, but just to be sure understand your wording.

Ported Gen 3 = Potential 20 HP
Gen V = Potenial 40 HP

correct?

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ported gen 3 = 20 HP max

Stock gen v = 20 HP bolting it on with no gains porting it.

I am by means no expert. Thats what I am getting out of it

 

[chipmonk212121]

I Gen V is is already a much more efficient blower stock for stock vs the Gen III. The gen III is capeable of more than it is stock by porting it it gains 20HP, but with the Gen V, you will see minimal to no gains by porting it because its already efficient....

 

[imported_1fastGTP]

Originally posted by chipmonk212121@Sep 14 2006, 12:15 PM
I Gen V is is already a much more efficient blower stock for stock vs the Gen III.  The gen III is capeable of more than it is stock by porting it it gains 20HP, but with the Gen V, you  will see minimal to no gains by porting it because its already efficient....

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exactly! i get it.

 

[Sinister Drag Designs]

a ported gen 3 will always flow just a little less then a gen 5. it simply wont push as much by design. would a maybe 5 hp gain be worth the cost of a gen 5 over a ported gen 3? u decided.

 

[imported_1fastGTP]

Originally posted by SINr247@Sep 14 2006, 01:07 PM
a ported gen 3 will always flow just a little less then a gen 5. it simply wont push as much by design. would a maybe 5 hp gain be worth the cost of a gen 5 over a ported gen 3? u decided.

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yea i cant wait to get it back! its going to look pretty haha.

 

[zooomer]

Originally posted by Kyle@Sep 14 2006, 11:34 AM
I think I get it, but just to be sure understand your wording.

Ported Gen 3 = Potential 20 HP
Gen V = Potenial 40 HP

correct?

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Correct.

 

[Kyle]

awesome thanks for the info.

 

[Mike K]

Keep in mind that both blowers have a 90 cubic inch displacement and are limited by that. With that in mind you can see how a ported Gen V blower has a lot less to offer in terms of performance gains than ported a Gen III blower.

 

[preussenGTP]

1997 - 2003 GTP = 240HP

2004 - present GTP = 260HP

1997 - 2003 GTP = Gen III

2004 - present GTP = Gen V

there's your 20HP gain. . .

 

[Sinister Drag Designs]

but the 20 hp doesnt count just from that, the TB can be a restriction on them and the computer is differnt
and they can run on 87 octane(orginal advertisement)un mod'd.
if a ported l67 TB or northstar was put on a l32 04 im sure the gains would be more.and then we would argue that a gen 5 can add 30+ HP if we bolt it on.
but because of the drive by wire its not really an option yet.
end of story it will gain more then a ported gen 3. wonder why the fastest m-90 car has a gen 5. or needs another big power adder. im sure someone like matt can get close to that with a gen 3. personaly i would upgrade to a gen 5(home porting if any). just me, plus thier whine is a little differnt, and sleeker i think.

 

[Fish]

Originally posted by SINr247@Sep 14 2006, 09:34 PM
but the 20 hp doesnt count just from that, the TB can be a restriction on them and the computer is differnt
and they can run on 87 octane(orginal advertisement)un mod'd.
if a ported l67 TB or northstar was put on a l32 04 im sure the gains would be more.and then we would argue that a gen 5 can add 30+ HP if we bolt it on.
but because of the drive by wire its not really an option yet.
end of story  it will gain more then a ported gen 3. wonder why the fastest m-90 car has a gen 5. or needs another big power adder. im sure someone like matt can get close to that with a gen 3. personaly i would upgrade to a gen 5(home porting if any). just me, plus thier whine is a little differnt, and sleeker i think.

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Actually, I think Zooomer had a gen 3 with his 10 second run.

 

[imported_1fastGTP]

i like the 97-03 whines better. they seem deeper more tone. the 04+ has a high pitched whine which gets annoying but still nice (chads) haha his is LOUD!

 

[Sinister Drag Designs]

Originally posted by Fish+Sep 14 2006, 11:13 PM-->

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@Sep 14 2006, 09:34 PM
but the 20 hp doesnt count just from that, the TB can be a restriction on them and the computer is differnt
and they can run on 87 octane(orginal advertisement)un mod'd.
if a ported l67 TB or northstar was put on a l32 04 im sure the gains would be more.and then we would argue that a gen 5 can add 30+ HP if we bolt it on.
but because of the drive by wire its not really an option yet.
end of story  it will gain more then a ported gen 3. wonder why the fastest m-90 car has a gen 5. or needs another big power adder. im sure someone like matt can get close to that with a gen 3. personaly i would upgrade to a gen 5(home porting if any). just me, plus thier whine is a little differnt, and sleeker i think.

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Actually, I think Zooomer had a gen 3 with his 10 second run.

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was talking about ed, but yes zoom did use a stage 4 gen 3

 

[M@]

Originally posted by SINr247+Sep 15 2006, 05:56 PM-->

Originally posted by Fish@Sep 14 2006, 11:13 PM
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@Sep 14 2006, 09:34 PM
but the 20 hp doesnt count just from that, the TB can be a restriction on them and the computer is differnt
and they can run on 87 octane(orginal advertisement)un mod'd.
if a ported l67 TB or northstar was put on a l32 04 im sure the gains would be more.and then we would argue that a gen 5 can add 30+ HP if we bolt it on.
but because of the drive by wire its not really an option yet.
end of story  it will gain more then a ported gen 3. wonder why the fastest m-90 car has a gen 5. or needs another big power adder. im sure someone like matt can get close to that with a gen 3. personaly i would upgrade to a gen 5(home porting if any). just me, plus thier whine is a little differnt, and sleeker i think.

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Actually, I think Zooomer had a gen 3 with his 10 second run.

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was talking about ed, but yes zoom did use a stage 4 gen 3

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Ed has never had a Gen5 M90 car...

Quickest Gen5 was Tim King's Stage 4 cam/heads GTP that went 11.1 @ 120 or 121

 

[Sinister Drag Designs]

i said gen 5 or gen 3 with power adder....
ed=gen 3 and n20....didnt know i had to spell it

 

[M@]

Originally posted by SINr247@Sep 15 2006, 09:21 PM
i said gen 5 or gen 3 with power adder....
ed=gen 3 and n20....didnt know i had to spell it

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you said "wonder why the fastest M-90 car has a Gen5"

Fastest M90 only is Zoom's 10.8
Gen3 M90 was his only power adder

Ed ran a Gen3, Intense S3 setup, and spray and ran 11.0 @ 125

Tim ran IS4 setup and a Gen5 and went 11.16 @ 120

FWIW

MT