3800 What Headers To Go For

[630_GTO]

I just got my downpipe, gona order the ubend d, and then gona look for headers, whats ones would make me the best? and dont forget im a GT

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[Xtant12]

Originally posted by ClubGPGTT@Jul 10 2006, 03:32 PM
I just got my downpipe, gona order the ubend d, and then gona look for headers, whats ones would make me the best? and dont forget im a GT

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Im right there with you.. I need to get some aswell.. BUT, everyone I see is an entire kit with the downpipe and all that.. is there a way to get just headers???

 

[630_GTO]

yea, all ss, slp, and tog have individual headers u can buy, i just wana know what i should get im thinking s&s

 

[MIKES3]

I'm very happy with the W-Body Store Ceramic Coated S&S Headers.
http://www.wbodystore.com/grandprix/produc...&products_id=17

 

[DaytonaPrixMI]

My TOGs are awesome, I would recommend them to anyone btu hear SLP is pretty much a copy of the TOG anyways

 

[Xtant12]

Originally posted by MIKES3@Jul 10 2006, 03:54 PM
I'm very happy with the W-Body Store Ceramic Coated S&S Headers.
http://www.wbodystore.com/grandprix/produc...&products_id=17

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Mike would there improve my deep sound???

 

[MIKES3]

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@Jul 10 2006, 03:54 PM
I'm very happy with the W-Body Store Ceramic Coated S&S Headers.
http://www.wbodystore.com/grandprix/produc...&products_id=17

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Mike would there improve my deep sound???

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Yes they would, but I wouldnt worry to much about sound, because when you hit WOT it will sound like ass no matter what you do.

 

[chipmonk212121]

just get PEMs.... dont waste 500$ on headers for a GT... you arent running that much power that the headers are gonna help that much more.

 

[BigJermGTP]

Most header sets come with a downpipe and then you weld the rest to a cat or straight back to where the "cat back" would be. IMO, you should have gotten the headers first then figured out what you were gonna do with the downpipe.

I kind of ran into the same problem, but it turned out ok in the end. I bought a WBS catless downpipe for my stock manifolds. I then purchaced TOGS which came with a shorty downpipe. The WBS catless downpipe doesn't match up with anything else but the stock manifolds (as far as I know). I knew from the begining that they didnt match up but I wasnt planning on getting TOGS untill I came across a deal I couldn't pass up. It all worked out in the end because Mr. Vogel hooked it up and cut the WBS downpipe and welded it to the shorty TOGS downpipe.

I'm sure I just confused the hell out of you and I know you were just looking for opinions on headers. Whichever you decide on, it should work out, you just may have spend some money on a downpipe like I did without having to.

I would try the coated S&S, I have TOGS and love them. I never would have bought them if it wasnt for the deal I got, being that I'm the biggest cheap ass I know. What will really turn your car on is a tune just for your car, I think that made the biggest improvement of anything.

Oh yeah, dont buy a u-bend delete off the internet, your getting raped. When you get your exhaust intalled or whoever is doing your welding, have them make you one, you can always get the rear O2 sensor deleted via PT or spoof. Also, most exhaust shops will weld in a bung for the rear O2 if you still want it.

 

[Fish]

Originally posted by chipmonk212121@Jul 10 2006, 05:20 PM
just get PEMs.... dont waste 500$ on headers for a GT... you arent running that much power that the headers are gonna help that much more.

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SLP Headers on a basically stock GT was dynoed 12 HP IIRC in HPP. Cam rockers or anything else for that matter will add to the number.

TOGs - Shady quality. However I hear that theres a new company making them.
S&S - I dont like the 02 sensor location. If installing them was like removing them, Id rank them ALMOST as bad as SLP.
SLP - PITA to install.

Have to choose what looks best in your opinion.

 

[Sinister Drag Designs]

sell the DP, and if you want to hit 13s i think most of GTs run TOGS
tho they are probly to much for your current setup. ive heard SLP and TOGs are dif in a couple ways
the crossover, and the DP section mostly. has anyone ever measured the primaries and collectors between the 2. we are all aware the S&S are smaller so i wont bother with that Q

and yeah dont buy a ubend. just take everything you want to put on and go to fair or Ron(bring some exhaust tubing)if he would do it and be done with it.

 

[phat_ridegt]

i have togs, the install was nice and smooth, and they are holding their ceramic coating well. imo, s&s seem to be doing well, they are smaller, but they seem to get the job done, and you can't beat the price! i think the tog's are overpriced (like a lot of things in this market), i say go S&S

 

[Mike K]

For a naturally aspirated vehicle S&S headers are actually perfect... Their smaller collector retains low end torque while increasing high end horsepower. Peak horsepower numbers mean very little when you're sacrificing low end torque. You might end up with a car that's a monster on the highway but no faster from a stop than it was before. For that reason the S&S headers a great option for the naturally aspirated cars.

As for installation, I'm not sure what troubles you've had Brian but the S&S headers are by far the easiest to install with the Togs coming in behind them and the SLPs coming in a distant 3rd as I'm sure you know.

 

[Fish]

I was helping James remove his S&Ss. I never installed them. We had quite the hard time taking them out. I just said if installing them was as hard as removing, they would be pretty close since the rear header is longer then a TOG but shorter then the SLP.

The TOGs I helped install went pretty well.

I dont want to even remember my SLP install. It makes me wake up and cry durring the day.

 

[Sinister Drag Designs]

well i saw mike ks car that he sold, when he was putting on the S&S it went fast as hell. even with mikes tall ass standing inside the engine bay. i can imagine from the TOGs voytec has that they are going to be a bit of a hassle to put in

 

[xierxior]

I think we should have a little friendly race to settle the PEM vs headers debate.

someone find me a gp with the same mods I have but with headers. we'll both tune to 935mv at WOT and 18* timing and we'll see who wins from a 40mph roll

 

[Sinister Drag Designs]

or dyno your car now, get headers then dyno again
xierxior are you ever going to put headerson your car?... i think a GEN 5 and XP cam could really benifit from a set

hell mike might be intrested in testing his S&Ss compared to his PEMS.*wink wink*

i think everyone would like to see those results so they know how to spend there money

 

[CoolGTX]

TOGs drop right in, if you know what you are doing. FACT! For 300.oo how could I not?
only the last few batches of togs were shady. Fact!
Fish, you need better drugs to help you sleep at night, trust me, I know from experiance. I still havnt found the right one..LMAO

 

[Blownbyyou]

well i saw mike ks car that he sold, when he was putting on the S&S it went fast as hell. even with mikes tall ass standing inside the engine bay. i can imagine from the TOGs voytec has that they are going to be a bit of a hassle to put in

I was there that day putting the S&S headers on and they were pretty easy, I think it took maybe an hour if that, they were very easy

 

[dole21]

Originally posted by Fish@Jul 11 2006, 12:06 AM
I dont want to even remember my SLP install. It makes me wake up and cry durring the day.

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lmao


I remember that day at Millers...


How many people can cram in under and around a gp to slide a rear header in...lol