3800 anyone see the new "power logs"
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i think over headers there wouldnt be a gain, but to help spool maybe
i like how zzp mentions the w-body stores description of there stuff,
i guess zzp is all about bashing other designs now, especialy a design they have been using for years.
how come no test data shown on this either. they almost always claim some gain
thats been 'Dyno tested"
...wow...it really is ugly tho
who will be the first to try?
i like how zzp mentions the w-body stores description of there stuff,
i guess zzp is all about bashing other designs now, especialy a design they have been using for years.
how come no test data shown on this either. they almost always claim some gain
thats been 'Dyno tested"
...wow...it really is ugly tho
who will be the first to try?
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I'd never say this on the national board...it's a nice product, but kind of rediculous. I guess this is a solution to the fact they don't have a header supplier right now.
A PEM (front) will already outflow a stock head. It's the rear outlet that really clogs things up. There's only so much you can do at this point. I talked to Mike about making an "Xtreme" set of ported mannies a few months back, but talked myself out of it. By the time you are done with materials and labor, you could have had some headers for about the same price. You can go pretty far with ported mannies, but headers are better overall.
It would be nice to see someone support the turbo market with a shorty set of headers, but I don't think there's enough busniness to warrant it.
A PEM (front) will already outflow a stock head. It's the rear outlet that really clogs things up. There's only so much you can do at this point. I talked to Mike about making an "Xtreme" set of ported mannies a few months back, but talked myself out of it. By the time you are done with materials and labor, you could have had some headers for about the same price. You can go pretty far with ported mannies, but headers are better overall.
It would be nice to see someone support the turbo market with a shorty set of headers, but I don't think there's enough busniness to warrant it.
Here's a pic for the rest of us who have never heard of these things . .
ZZP 'Power Logs' linky
this has piqued my interest enough that i may get the front one cause i already have PEMs - and the price is right. . .
ZZP 'Power Logs' linky
this has piqued my interest enough that i may get the front one cause i already have PEMs - and the price is right. . .
Zooomer has so much as admitted that he goes after me when it's possible. You'll notice on the national boards he frequently mentions ZZP not attacking other companies and our name is never mentioned in the fray.
In Texas when Steve, Zooomer, and I were talking I made a crack along the lines of "see, isn't it better when we get along". Zooomer's response was "No, I like the drama".
There might be a billion things we disagree on fish but ripping apart the competition is not what I'll do to gain more sales, Zooomer included. If others want to use the tactic that's fine. Their gain; my loss I suppose.
In Texas when Steve, Zooomer, and I were talking I made a crack along the lines of "see, isn't it better when we get along". Zooomer's response was "No, I like the drama".
There might be a billion things we disagree on fish but ripping apart the competition is not what I'll do to gain more sales, Zooomer included. If others want to use the tactic that's fine. Their gain; my loss I suppose.
Mike, I will agree that sometimes Zooomer gets a little......wordy.
However, comparing a product against someone elses is nothing that has not been done before. Apple has compared their processors against Pentiums. Hell, apple even said they were faster. They just forgot to mention that they disabled hyperthreading and the apple had more ram.
Food for thought.
However, comparing a product against someone elses is nothing that has not been done before. Apple has compared their processors against Pentiums. Hell, apple even said they were faster. They just forgot to mention that they disabled hyperthreading and the apple had more ram.
Food for thought.
if you read all 3 sites, zzp, intense, wbs, they all compare their shtuff to the others, to promote themselfs. They all do it to each other. Makes me sick and chuckle sometimes, when all I want to do is buy my parts, and have to sift thru all the BS on their sites. Alot of MISleading shtuff, and open bashing on all 3 sites. Takes a knowledgable person to acually buy the right thing without being swindled.
back on subject. 5 years ago I had tried to get a front header built, and could not get it done for less then a set of real headers cost. I ported my own front only, and ran good times for my mods at the time. I got a deal I could not pass up for a used set of TOGs.
If I had a set of stock mani on the car, i'd get one.
MY qualm with it is that the primaries aren't aimed in the direction of the flow...
As far as the look, take a gander at a stock manifold installed on the car, the log part of this manifold will be mostly obscured from view, they'd look almost stock unless viewed from the bottom, or at least it appears that way from the pics of them...
MT
As far as the look, take a gander at a stock manifold installed on the car, the log part of this manifold will be mostly obscured from view, they'd look almost stock unless viewed from the bottom, or at least it appears that way from the pics of them...
MT
Agreed with Mat. You'd be hard pressed to tell any difference from stock unless you looked closely.
I'm not sold on the concept. I think it merits further testing. The two degrees of knock Matt claims the manifolds removed from his GT could have just as easily been removed with a set of ported manifolds.
I'm not sold on the concept. I think it merits further testing. The two degrees of knock Matt claims the manifolds removed from his GT could have just as easily been removed with a set of ported manifolds.
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