3800 Powertuner Source code

[curado]

Anybody know if the Powertuner source code was released when the DHP hardware went "obsolete"?

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[M@]

as far as I'm aware, it was not

 

[Ron Vogel]

no and it never will

 

[curado]

Bummer.. So there's no 3rd party software for the Powertuner hardware?

 

[Ron Vogel]

Charles would never allow it or put up with it without litigation

 

[curado]

Sounds like I should have bought an HP Tuners.

 

[DanJ]

As far as i know a lot of people are still tuning with DHP.

 

[Just Yourshadow]

You could decompile the software for the code and build your own. As long as you never share what you've found or what you made you would still be legal. Last time I looked it was still quite a gray area in the law but that was awhile ago.

 

[curado]

I WAS planning to make some improvements to the Powertuner software (or a complete reiteration of it) via the source code or reverse compiled code.

However, if they are known to sue 3rd party developers (especially now that it's a 'dead' product) I would feel stupid to touch it. It could quickly amount to a waste of time.

I feel bad for owning one or furthering the "cause" if that's how they treat developers.

 

[Just Yourshadow]

Like I said as long as you don't share it your covered under fair use. You have the right to tinker with anything you buy as long as it doesn't hurt the company or person you bought it from. Now I'm not quite sure how it would go over in this situation since DHP is no more and I don't see how Charles would be directly effected by it unless there is some trade secret in there but with HP Tuners out I doubt there is anything DHP has that HPT hasn't found.

 

[Just Yourshadow]

Just found this


Restricted Rights


This program has not been published by the copyright owner, and has been disclosed to other parties only under license, prohibiting unauthorized disclosure, copying, or use. Any unauthorized copying, use, or disclosure is strictly prohibited under such license by the software owner in accordance with the Trade Secret Act of Utah.

If someone can find the original owner of the software and ask them for permission there isn't much DHP or Charles could do about it

 

[M@]

It's shit like this that really pisses me off that I bought PT...the idea that you're contributing to someone that cares about the 3800 community, but then just jumps ship and hangs everyone out to dry with essentially obsolete software, and no ability to improve it, despite numerous people who could and would improve it.

It's fucking silly, and Charles really made himself look like an asshole in that respect...

 

[curado]

Yes, I thought I bought a paperweight. It didn't come with the software, so I emailed DHP. They directed me to a "support" thread a couple days later saying I was SOL basically. Luckily a club member was generous and gave me a copy. I still haven't been activated on the Powertuner forum, which irritates me ..

I know I'm not accomplishing anything by bitching about it. Last night I went ahead and started on a VE tuning gadget. I haven't looked at anybody else's Excel files or table editors yet, but my goal was to show AFR and KR for each MAP/RPM intersection. That's how I effectively tuned my megasquirt setup on my other car.

I would have liked to have made it real time, but I am not sure if I can stay within the realm of what's legal if I interface directly with the DHP software or hardware. IT WOULD HELP IF I HAD THE SOURCE CODE .. lol

 

[TommyGloves]

You could decompile the software for the code and build your own.

FWIW - The later versions of PT went one-step beyond obfuscation. Running a decompiler against the assemblies doesn't produce much info to reverse-engineer the software.

 

[TommyGloves]

Also, depending on the year and bin, there is the potential to map your own CALs into the DB for editing and flashing.

 

[phat_ridegt]

if you have good working hardware, the software can just be downloaded from powrtuner.com. that site still works, just no future updates/troubleshooting

 

[Just Yourshadow]

The site works, yes but once you register a new account you never get activated so its no use. I had to get a friends login to get the software. What we're getting at is we could update the software with new features but Charles has the source code under lock and key. DHP maybe gone but that doesn't mean powrtuner can't keep up with HPT in some aspects

 

[phat_ridegt]

right i thought the OP was saying he bought a used PT, but didnt think he could use it because he didnt have software....

i think charles had eddie, and a couple other people sign a non-disclosure agreement about everything...im not positive, but i thought that was the case.

 

[Fish]

Eddie did have to sign a NDA. I have his little tool somewhere in a HD that I own. It was nifty trying to dial in my MAF.

 

[OffshoreDrilling]

Eddie did have to sign a NDA. I have his little tool somewhere in a HD that I own. It was nifty trying to dial in my MAF.

I used to use that all of the time for tuning the grand am. It was quite handy, and I believe Ive got it on my computer somewhere still.

 

[Just Yourshadow]

The table modifier?

 

[phat_ridegt]

table modifier thingy FTW

is that not supposed to be open to the public or something? i thought it was on the download list on the PT website?

 

[Just Yourshadow]

Thats where I got it

 

[DOHCZ34]

FWIW - The later versions of PT went one-step beyond obfuscation. Running a decompiler against the assemblies doesn't produce much info to reverse-engineer the software.

yeah .netz... just get 1.2.2 and decompile all you want .

It's shit like this that really pisses me off that I bought PT...the idea that you're contributing to someone that cares about the 3800 community, but then just jumps ship and hangs everyone out to dry with essentially obsolete software, and no ability to improve it, despite numerous people who could and would improve it.

It's fucking silly, and Charles really made himself look like an asshole in that respect...

That's the thing, I would love to seem him pursue any litigation against an open source project. You know theres a reason why tunercat, efilive, hp tuner don't store cal files in the db/code right? Whose property do you think that is? Not charles's.

He tucked tail and bounced. Simple as that. Source and modify all you want, If you want help there are a handful of people with a lot of time into this.

It's time that this project finally gets rolling :nannerpunk:

:squintfinger: chucky.

 

[Fish]

Charles was damned if he did, and damned if he didnt.

He also wasnt the only one calling the shots for DHP either.