3800 Tool talking shit about Ron Vogel.
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You definatly show him. Even though Mike K already stated why he gave up on racing. You go show him.
Maybe YOU can find out why people run E85 and why its not a mod.
E85 is a mod
I guess using gas readily available is considered a mod now? Fish i refuse to argue with you, however i still don't understand why you consider it a mod. I needed injectors, i needed a tuner, why would i run 93 octane if i have the option of running a way better fuel? Nobody ever says what kind of gas they run in their sig when they post up a pb, but i do. why? I do this because people start asking questions and i can educate them on the "how to" run this stuff. Some or even most of the guys running really good times, and even the ones running shitty times (some not all) use race gas. They just won't ever admit it, and if they do they'll say "I used a splash of 100 octane with 10 gallons of 93... yea.... riiiiight. I honestly think all the haters need to find something else to complain about IMO, because crying about what gas i use, or my power adders is getting old. It's not my fault i've made better decisions with my car than they did, and in doing so spend 1/2 the $
If i had the wallet to run a stage 4 blower, with a stage 2 i/c and all the goodies to go with it, then i would, but i can't. I'm showing people it doesn't take all that b.s. to run low 12's (so far
) I have gotten a lot of interest in my setup because of the difference in money i've spent compared to a lot of other people running my times. Even off the spray i run with cammed, and sometimes i/c'd gtp's, but you guys even hate on that because i use E85 lol. So whatever, i was told there were going to be haters, and there always will be.
Honestly, ron has been one of the biggest reasons i started my E85 stuff, and well, took my gtp to where it is today. He's a tinkering god, some of the stuff he's come up with is just amazing. But there's still people hating on him, because he was smart, and used his talent to make his car way lighter than anyone else's. But of course, that's considered just as much of a cheat as N20 to everyone that can't beat him. Why do they hate? Because their dicisions weren't nearly as good i guess huh? Guess they get more "respect" running full weight, and 93 octane, and stage 4 blowers with full size intercoolers (by far one of the best mods for our cars...) ohhh and don't turbo your car, then you get NO respect at all either. That's an even bigger cheat than me lol, someone explain this to me (in a nice way) because i'm not trying to argue, however i'm extremely confused...? Isn't the whole point of "racing" to go as fast as we can, but spending as little money as possible?
If i had the wallet to run a stage 4 blower, with a stage 2 i/c and all the goodies to go with it, then i would, but i can't. I'm showing people it doesn't take all that b.s. to run low 12's (so far
) I have gotten a lot of interest in my setup because of the difference in money i've spent compared to a lot of other people running my times. Even off the spray i run with cammed, and sometimes i/c'd gtp's, but you guys even hate on that because i use E85 lol. So whatever, i was told there were going to be haters, and there always will be. Honestly, ron has been one of the biggest reasons i started my E85 stuff, and well, took my gtp to where it is today. He's a tinkering god, some of the stuff he's come up with is just amazing. But there's still people hating on him, because he was smart, and used his talent to make his car way lighter than anyone else's. But of course, that's considered just as much of a cheat as N20 to everyone that can't beat him. Why do they hate? Because their dicisions weren't nearly as good i guess huh? Guess they get more "respect" running full weight, and 93 octane, and stage 4 blowers with full size intercoolers (by far one of the best mods for our cars...) ohhh and don't turbo your car, then you get NO respect at all either. That's an even bigger cheat than me lol, someone explain this to me (in a nice way) because i'm not trying to argue, however i'm extremely confused...? Isn't the whole point of "racing" to go as fast as we can, but spending as little money as possible?
Well that is true, but some of us needed to upgrade the fuel system anyways, how is that any different? Maybe if the car was stock and didn't need a fuel system upgrade, then it would be a "mod" i guess. I would have upgraded even if i didn't use E85, however i decided while i was there i might as well run a bad ass fuel since nobody has tried it yet. I decided to keep it because i love it. I get 16ish mpg's regularly, and about 20 on the hwy. That's after tuning for mpg's, which wasn't hard at all. I didn't lose that much, i was averaging 21/26 now i'm 16/20, not bad for having 104 octane all the time, and 3.29's. That's only 13% from before, but i'm not going to deny that with good tuning i could have pumped out 24/30 easy on 93. It's amazing what a little change to the cruising spark tables do for the mpg's.
Do you seriously want to know why?? Cause there are a bunch of experienced pandas over there. That IMO makes it more dangerous when they actually know what they are talking about.
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