3800 Why we torque our blowers down in proper sequence

[Fish]

Originally posted by xttc2000@Jan 30 2005, 09:31 PM

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Ok, I gotta go gag now.

 

[xttc2000]

yea its a little gay, but dont tell me you didnt crack up when you saw it.

 

[imported_Ron Vogel]

Well, this thread got a little off track...Mike, I'll post pics up later tonight on ClubGP. I found an inherent problem with using WW fluid for alky injection. I bought that 14K mile blower, and pulled it apart this weekend. The WW fluid's added dye trns to powder and collects at the bearing side of the rotors, and clogs up the bearings. It'll probably contribute to premature bearing failure.

 

[Mike K]

Originally posted by Ron Vogel@Jan 31 2005, 02:11 PM
Well, this thread got a little off track...Mike, I'll post pics up later tonight on ClubGP. I found an inherent problem with using WW fluid for alky injection. I bought that 14K mile blower, and pulled it apart this weekend. The WW fluid's added dye trns to powder and collects at the bearing side of the rotors, and clogs up the bearings. It'll probably contribute to premature bearing failure.

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That's interesting to hear. I did not see any indication of that on my blower or in the bearings. Then again, I only used the injection for about 3,000 miles.

Please do post the pictures however.

 

[imported_Ron Vogel]

Originally posted by Mike K+Jan 31 2005, 02:14 PM-->

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@Jan 31 2005, 02:11 PM
Well, this thread got a little off track...Mike, I'll post pics up later tonight on ClubGP. I found an inherent problem with using WW fluid for alky injection. I bought that 14K mile blower, and pulled it apart this weekend. The WW fluid's added dye trns to powder and collects at the bearing side of the rotors, and clogs up the bearings. It'll probably contribute to premature bearing failure.

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That's interesting to hear. I did not see any indication of that on my blower or in the bearings. Then again, I only used the injection for about 3,000 miles.

Please do post the pictures however.

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I'll take some pics tonight. I was a little pissed when I got into the blower and no teflon was left on the rotors, then my hands got covered in the blue crap. I'll have to flush out the rear bearings and repack them. The SC oil looked brand new though.

 

[Kyle]

so what other options are there? do they sell that stuff without the dye at all?

 

[imported_Ron Vogel]

all it is is alcohol and water. You buy it seperate and mix it. It's just convenient to use the WW fluid because it's premixed and cheap.

 

[Mike K]

Originally posted by Kyle@Jan 31 2005, 02:53 PM
so what other options are there? do they sell that stuff without the dye at all?

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We only use the washer fluid for convenience Kyle. You can use an alky/ water mix with no dyes.

Ask him what fluid he was using Ron. I show no teflon missing from my rotors since using the injection other than the teflon that was already missing.

 

[Kyle]

ok, alky stuff is completely new to me.

is mixing it urself expensive? I would assume not considering methanol right?

 

[imported_Ron Vogel]

It's cheep...and it lasts about a month between fill ups.

 

[Royalgtp]

does anyone sell complete kits for this?

I hate contacting and piecing together parts from 10 companies....

What kind of gains are we talking about for a car like mine and yours, Ron?...if im all tuned.

 

[CoolGTX]

Originally posted by RoyalGTP@Jan 31 2005, 04:59 PM
does anyone sell complete kits for this?

I hate contacting and piecing together parts from 10 companies....

What kind of gains are we talking about for a car like mine and yours, Ron?...if im all tuned.

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WHAT?

the best intercooler in the WHOLE WIDE WORLD for 3800 applications isnt good enough?

say it isnt so, Marie!!!!!

FIB, in action..... :lolsign: :lolsign:

 

[98 TGP TOY]

Nope....nobody makes complete kits

http://www.aquastealth.com/index.asp?PageA...WPROD&ProdID=88

http://www.coolingmist.com/Pagedisplay.asp...aterkits&page=1

http://home.att.net/~alkycontrol/page1.htm

http://www.aquamist.co.uk/cp/cp.html

http://search.ebay.com/water-injection_W0QQfkrZ1QQfromZR8

http://www.clubgp.com/newforum/tm.asp?m=19...tmode=1&smode=1



But with an IC, your suppose to spray after the core. So you would need to hook up some type of direct port system....

 

[Mike K]

Originally posted by CoolGTX+Jan 31 2005, 05:05 PM-->

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@Jan 31 2005, 04:59 PM
does anyone sell complete kits for this?

I hate contacting and piecing together parts from 10 companies....

What kind of gains are we talking about for a car like mine and yours, Ron?...if im all tuned.

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WHAT?

the best intercooler in the WHOLE WIDE WORLD for 3800 applications isnt good enough?

say it isnt so, Marie!!!!!

FIB, in action..... :lolsign: :lolsign:

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None of them are. No intercooler will bring the air charge down to ambient temperature. Water/ alky can further reduce outlet temperatures and allow you to run more timing or even a smaller pulley.

 

[imported_Ron Vogel]

Originally posted by RoyalGTP@Jan 31 2005, 04:59 PM
does anyone sell complete kits for this?

I hate contacting and piecing together parts from 10 companies....

What kind of gains are we talking about for a car like mine and yours, Ron?...if im all tuned.

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There are some that are almost complete, but really expensive. The alky really helps cool the air down, even better with an IC. It's a little trick to get along w/o a cam or high flow heads to use both. Having the alky and an IC will shrink the air enough to get it in the ports, but your still at odds with the exhaust. So there is a limit. I expect to run a 2.6 pulley on pump gas with 22 degrees of timing on the alky. The only problem is I'll see boost pressures in excess of 16psi, so I'm chancing a head gasket blow out.

 

[imported_Ron Vogel]

Link to WW fluid pics:
http://www.clubgp.com/newforum/tm.asp?m=19...de=1&smode=1&s=

 

[beyerch]

yeah none come down to ambient by the IC setup in my 04 on a 45F night brough charged air temp around 55 - 60F.... before you all call BS this is a turbo and not that inefficient M90.

Originally posted by Mike K+Jan 31 2005, 06:12 PM-->

Originally posted by CoolGTX@Jan 31 2005, 05:05 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-RoyalGTP

@Jan 31 2005, 04:59 PM
does anyone sell complete kits for this?

I hate contacting and piecing together parts from 10 companies....

What kind of gains are we talking about for a car like mine and yours, Ron?...if im all tuned.

[snapback]69756[/snapback]​

WHAT?

the best intercooler in the WHOLE WIDE WORLD for 3800 applications isnt good enough?

say it isnt so, Marie!!!!!

FIB, in action..... :lolsign: :lolsign:

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None of them are. No intercooler will bring the air charge down to ambient temperature. Water/ alky can further reduce outlet temperatures and allow you to run more timing or even a smaller pulley.

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[Mike K]

Originally posted by beyerch+Jan 31 2005, 09:45 PM-->

yeah none come down to ambient by the IC setup in my 04 on a 45F night brough charged air temp around 55 - 60F.... before you all call BS this is a turbo and not that inefficient M90.

Originally posted by Mike K@Jan 31 2005, 06:12 PM

Originally posted by CoolGTX@Jan 31 2005, 05:05 PM
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@Jan 31 2005, 04:59 PM
does anyone sell complete kits for this?

I hate contacting and piecing together parts from 10 companies....

What kind of gains are we talking about for a car like mine and yours, Ron?...if im all tuned.

[snapback]69756[/snapback]​

WHAT?

the best intercooler in the WHOLE WIDE WORLD for 3800 applications isnt good enough?

say it isnt so, Marie!!!!!

FIB, in action..... :lolsign: :lolsign:

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None of them are. No intercooler will bring the air charge down to ambient temperature. Water/ alky can further reduce outlet temperatures and allow you to run more timing or even a smaller pulley.

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Eat it! :lol: