🔧 Technical Traditional Hose Clamps vs T-Bolts

[DEEZUZ]

I barely want a worm type holding my coolant hoses let alone 35+ psi

 

[DEEZUZ]

Yea that's a piss poor t bolt... needs spring

 

[greasy]

I barely want a worm type holding my coolant hoses let alone 35+ psi

It's amazing how my coolant hoses have stayed connected all of these years through the heat from the system and under hood temps.

 

[greasy]

Also we are no debating what has more clamping force, the T-Bolt easily has that. We are debating what is best used on aluminum pipe and what provides better more evenly distributed force on the pipe.

 

[Eagle]

One of the most expensive builders when it comes to GT-R is pushing cheaper worm clamps?

Makes zero sense.

They do a lot more builds than expensive GT-R builds, broseph!

Either way, if you have quality pipe with a bead, SURE a less expensive worm gear will work. Blowing charge pipes off sort of sucks though, so having done exactly that myself - even off my turbo's cold side output (which is cast aluminum with a lip) - I was more than happy to switch over to t-bolts and never blow another coupler.

 

[DEEZUZ]

If I had a car built and it came back with worm clamps on everything id have a fucking shit fit

 

[greasy]

They do a lot more builds than expensive GT-R builds, broseph!

Either way, if you have quality pipe with a bead, SURE a less expensive worm gear will work. Blowing charge pipes off sort of sucks though, so having done exactly that myself - even off my turbo's cold side output (which is cast aluminum with a lip) - I was more than happy to switch over to t-bolts and never blow another coupler.

Sure they do other stuff outside of GT-R's, but their market/demographic is not budget anything.

 

[Eagle]

All that given, with a proper pipe, which will not deform under "excessive clamping force" - t-bolts are superior.

 

[greasy]

All that given, with a proper pipe, which will not deform under "excessive clamping force" - t-bolts are superior.

Which is what they say in the article and a point I am not trying to argue.

 

[Eagle]

Not to mention, there are engine bay pics out there of AMS built cars using t-bolts too

 

[greasy]

Not to mention, there are engine bay pics out there of AMS built cars using t-bolts too

Is that aluminum piping in that kit?

 

[Eagle]

It's an AMS car... so I don't know what material they use for their piping. The point is, even *proper* aluminum piping which is thick enough to not distort under a t-bolt clamp will benefit from the additional clamping force.

Also, what about how worm gears chew up couplers since they have the slots cut into them for the screw to turn? T-bolts have no slots cut, rather just have a solid band which do not cut into the coupler.

 

[Bob Kazamakis]

They make lined worm clamps that will not chew up couplers. Don't buy auto parts store garbage.

 

[Eagle]

I'm simply stating that t-bolts worked flawlessly for me in my application which was 20psi+ after I had numerous failures from worm gear clamps.

If you're buying lined worm gear clamps that cost more anyway, why not buy proper tbolt clamps that DO provide uniform clamping characteristics AND more clamping force?

 

[greasy]

It's an AMS car... so I don't know what they use. The point is, even *proper* aluminum piping which is thick enough to not distort under a t-bolt clamp will benefit from the additional clamping force.

Also, what about how worm gears chew up couplers since they have the slots cut into them for the screw to turn? T-bolts have no slots cut, rather just have a solid band which do not cut into the coupler.

Exactly! You don't know what that car is running for pipe, but yet you use it as an example of them running T-Bolts! Nobody is forcing you to run worm drive clamps on your car if you don't want to.

If AMS says that running quality stainless worm drives with good 4 ply couplers will minimize boost leaks, save you from wasting money on T-Bolts when it is not necessary, provide more evenly distributed clamping force when using aluminum piping then I am going to believe them because they do it EVERYDAY!

 

[Bob Kazamakis]

Robot Check

I don't think they cost much at all. Who makes these uniform quality t bolt clamps? I've tried cheap ones that have actually stretched/broken.

 

[Eagle]

worm gear 3"
Robot Check
$10.83 ea

t-bolt clamp for 3"
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0058W7X6E/?tag=tcg21-20
$7.23

 

[greasy]

Price is only one aspect of the equation and it is not even the main point. Price does not keep boost in the pipe.

 

[DEEZUZ]

I'd t bolt clamp my foreskin for the hell of it if they made them that small

 

[Eagle]

you just need the clamps which have the U-shape stamped into the bridge portion under the bolt so it doesn't distort when you clamp it down tight.

 

[DEEZUZ]

Breeze makes the best t bolts

 

[Eagle]

Price is only one aspect of the equation and it is not even the main point. Price does not keep boost in the pipe.

When my kit was built, it was pressure tested to 35psi, in my own garage, with ZERO leaks.

 

[Eagle]

So again, I'm not arguing that you can't make either clamp work, especially with a proper bead and/or pipe material. Just speaking from my own experience, not an article I read on the interwebs.


EAGLE OUT!

 

[DEEZUZ]

 

[DEEZUZ]

Spring loaded t bolt with nylon lock nut. Done