Movie SprayinTomatoes Presents: Terminator 2 is overrated
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That's not even arguing semantics...that's the basis of your "it's overrated" argument that you stated 3 posts up
If you take off the rose colored glasses, you'd see the issues.
In T1, you have the concept of this unstoppable man hunting robot that cannot be stopped. They are essentially powerless to fight it and they spend most of the movie on the run. It has an original concept of a hyper-intelligent AI sending a robot back in time to kill the mother of the so-far unborn leader of the resistance. In the end, them doing so created the very person they wanted to kill. It even had a reasonable love story to boot in there. Well written story, original concept, excellent execution.
Now you get into T2.
-Recycled concept (they sent back another robot, this time to kill him when he is a child!), except now they have their very own Terminator on their side! Totally ruins the suspense, since the odds are relatively even.
-The Terminator is the same guy as the bad guy from the first. It's a total plot hole. It of course only makes sense because Arnold is going to draw the crowd.
-Somehow Sarah Conner went from helpless waitress to the biggest badass on the planet - all by herself.
-Cheesy catch phrases: "I'll be back" "Hasta La Vista Baby" etc.
-Basically just action porn.
-Story was no where near the level of well written as the first. At no point were any of the characters in any reasonable amount of danger. Totally unnecessary comedic relief from Arnold (which continued into the rest of the sequels.)
-Universal acclaim typically comes in the form of "that movie is badass"
-Totally ruins the "character destiny" set up in the first one, by "stopping Judgement Day".
Now that I have posted a very nitpicky list of issues with the movie, you probably think, "Wow, Sprayin, you hated this movie, what is wrong with you?" and that is simply not true. I very much enjoyed watching the movie, and I occasionally re-watch it when it is on. But it PALES in comparison to the original in just about every way outside of visual effects - which were spectacular especially considering it's era.
In T1, you have the concept of this unstoppable man hunting robot that cannot be stopped. They are essentially powerless to fight it and they spend most of the movie on the run. It has an original concept of a hyper-intelligent AI sending a robot back in time to kill the mother of the so-far unborn leader of the resistance. In the end, them doing so created the very person they wanted to kill. It even had a reasonable love story to boot in there. Well written story, original concept, excellent execution.
Now you get into T2.
-Recycled concept (they sent back another robot, this time to kill him when he is a child!), except now they have their very own Terminator on their side! Totally ruins the suspense, since the odds are relatively even.
-The Terminator is the same guy as the bad guy from the first. It's a total plot hole. It of course only makes sense because Arnold is going to draw the crowd.
-Somehow Sarah Conner went from helpless waitress to the biggest badass on the planet - all by herself.
-Cheesy catch phrases: "I'll be back" "Hasta La Vista Baby" etc.
-Basically just action porn.
-Story was no where near the level of well written as the first. At no point were any of the characters in any reasonable amount of danger. Totally unnecessary comedic relief from Arnold (which continued into the rest of the sequels.)
-Universal acclaim typically comes in the form of "that movie is badass"
-Totally ruins the "character destiny" set up in the first one, by "stopping Judgement Day".
Now that I have posted a very nitpicky list of issues with the movie, you probably think, "Wow, Sprayin, you hated this movie, what is wrong with you?" and that is simply not true. I very much enjoyed watching the movie, and I occasionally re-watch it when it is on. But it PALES in comparison to the original in just about every way outside of visual effects - which were spectacular especially considering it's era.
Cult following is for movies like Donnie Darko. If you want to say that is overrated, Ill agree with you.
Ohh and that logo.
I dont think it PALES in comparison. There are the talks that sequels arent as good as the originals and I think you might have an issue with the fact that T2 is seen as one of those sequels that is better than the original and since The Terminator is more up your alley that bugs you hence why you think T2 is overrated.
Next week needs to be Top Gun or I unsubscribe.
Top Gun is just flat out bad. I probably wouldn't do that one because I've seen it like once and I hated it so much that I doubt I'd watch it again just to make a thread about how much I hate it.
Personally, I thought T1 was a bit too hokey at times, and the script had a great premise but didn't deliver fully. T2 absolutely just took the first movie's premise and regurgitated it, but it also built on the original script and expanded the universe. Cameron had a giant pile of money the second go around too though ($7M vs $100M budgets). I did like the way that T2 wove the story of Skynet, Judgement Day, Cyberdyne, and the terminators in its timeline. Linda Hamilton's about face is, I agree, completely outrageous The way they brought Arnold back, and made him "good" for T2, I didn't think was that crazy or out of the realm in the grand scheme of the whole story arc. I also thought the cinematography of T2 was spot on. Dark and brooding.
The way they brought Arnold back, and made him "good" for T2, I didn't think was that crazy or out of the realm in the grand scheme of the whole story arc. I also thought the cinematography of T2 was spot on. Dark and brooding.
The homoerotic volleyball scene is all you need as proof to why Top Gun is awful
Good moments, yeah. Good song, yeah. Good movie, NOPE.
Jodorowsky's Dune is a cool documentary about what Dune SHOULD have been...
HR Giger (guy behind the Alien movie character and set designs) and Dan O'Bannon (worked on the OG Star Wars and Heavy Metal), Pink Floyd and Magma on music. Salvador Dali, Orson Welles, David Carradine, Mick Jagger on cast.
Here's some of the concept art...
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