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[Chester Copperpot]

Thirdgen89GTA

I’ll never be able to get rid of this 4790k now.

AMD Ryzen 3000 and Older Zen Chips Don't Support SAM Due to Hardware Limitation, Intel Chips Since Haswell Support it

AMD Ryzen 3000 "Matisse" processors based on the "Zen 2" microarchitecture, as well as older AMD processors based on "Zen+" and "Zen" microarchitectures, do not support the company's Smart Access Memory (SAM) feature being introduced with Radeon RX 6000 series graphics cards. SAM is essentially...

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It gets more interesting—Intel processors have been supporting this feature since the company's 4th Gen Core "Haswell," which introduced it with its 20-lane PCI-Express gen 3.0 root-complex. This means that every Intel processor dating back to 2014 can technically support Resizable-BAR, and it's just a matter of motherboard vendors releasing UEFI firmware updates for their products (i.e. Intel 8-series chipsets and later).

 

[Thirdgen89GTA]

Even so, I don't think any of the MFG's actually updating the BIOS for legacy 10 year old motherboards though.

But maybe if some enterprising person hacks the BIOS.

 

[Thirdgen89GTA]

So, looks like RDNA2 is going for a Ryzen like approach. Get the tech out there, then mature it over a few generations.

Question is, will Nvidia let themselves be blind-sided like Intel did. Intel buried their head in the sand and rested their lead while AMD built the Ryzen.

 

[Chester Copperpot]

If it wasn't for AMD, basically everything "new" that has come out the last 3-5 years still wouldn't even exist.

We'd have 4c/4t high end processors in 2020 if Intel had their way but Ryzen blindsided them coming from faildozer. The 9900K was laughable at its price with 8/8 for the top end processor when its predecessor had HT support. Intel is now experimenting with chiplet designs as well, shocked I am not. Yet they're still holding onto monolithic 10nm like a boomer and stucco.

Resizable BAR. It's been around since Haswell days (2014-2015) but Intel and nVidia did nothing with it until AMD smacked them in the face. The day after the 6000 launch, suddenly nVidia is scrambling to make it "available for all regardless of processor/GPU".

AMD caught up AND said "look what we have that these guys have been ignoring for years."

 

[Thirdgen89GTA]

Yeah,

But where I was going with is that Nvidia has a huge lead in ray-tracing optimization. The 6000series just can't hack it, even though its doing well in standard rendering. AMD needs to make big leaps here, Ray-Tracing either in part, or full Path-Tracing like the Minecraft/Quake 2 ports are using.

 

[Fish]

If RDNA follows the same pattern, then in 2 years it will probably be up there with Nvidia. This is also assuming AMD releases a 7000 series next year and 8000 after that, along with Nvidia sticking with 3000 and just releases "super" cards.

 

[Chester Copperpot]

Unpopular opinion: I bought an RTX card but still think RTX is a useless gimmick.

Couldn’t care less if a card has it or not. Raw power is all I care about.

 

[Thirdgen89GTA]

Unpopular opinion: I bought an RTX card but still think RTX is a useless gimmick.

Couldn’t care less if a card has it or not. Raw power is all I care about.

I don't care about "RTX" specifically, but I do care about Ray Tracing as a feature set. It does add a huge image quality bonus to games that properly enable it. Control is probably the best case for it, and its not RTX specific. Control actually uses the standard DX12 Ray Tracing feature set and not any Nvidia specific "RTX" stuff. And it has EVERY feature in there.

I'm also a big fan of DLSS, so yeah I want AMD to get that into their cards, I can't believe how good it is.

 

[ZXMustang]

Unpopular opinion: I bought an RTX card but still think RTX is a useless gimmick.

Couldn’t care less if a card has it or not. Raw power is all I care about.

Yeah same here. I have a 3080 fe card and its unbelievable. I also moved away from 4k60 and got me a 34" LG ultra gear 3440x1440 Gsync 160hz ultrawide. I have now been changed in ways I didnt think possible with this ultrawide. Gaming will never be the same...its WOW.

 

[Thirdgen89GTA]

Yeah same here. I have a 3080 fe card and its unbelievable. I also moved away from 4k60 and got me a 34" LG ultra gear 3440x1440 Gsync 160hz ultrawide. I have now been changed in ways I didnt think possible with this ultrawide. Gaming will never be the same...its WOW.

Yeah, 4K is nice for movies. But when gaming, Ultrawide 21:9 is where its at. Which means that 5K 5120x2160 is best.

Though, honestly I would love to try one of the Samsung 49" wide super ultra-wide monitors.

 

[ZXMustang]

Yeah, 4K is nice for movies. But when gaming, Ultrawide 21:9 is where its at. Which means that 5K 5120x2160 is best.

Though, honestly I would love to try one of the Samsung 49" wide super ultra-wide monitors.

Playing COD on this new ultrawide is something to behold. The 3080 is perfect for maxed out 3440x1440.

 

[Fish]

Microcenter Westmont has some goodies on their site. 2 flavors of 3090, 3 5600Xs, and 25+ 5800Xs.

 

[Thirdgen89GTA]

Nvidia done gone and kicked the hornets nest.

Anyone watch the Hardware Unboxed shit storm?

Nvidia blacklisted Hardware Unboxed from prerelease first party cards because they weren't focusing on RTX.

They completely pissed off the gaming community.

 

[Chester Copperpot]

I saw JayZTwoCents and GNSteve make a mention. I’ll have to watch later.

 

[Thirdgen89GTA]

I saw JayZTwoCents and GNSteve make a mention. I’ll have to watch later.

That was actually the first bit I watched on this.

I don't actually watched Hardware Unboxed, for the most part I watch GN,LTT,J2C, and even not every video.

 

[bikrboy128]

Watched the J2C video today. What a scumbag move by nvidia. Blacklist any content creator that doesn't gargle their green balls in their review videos

 

[ZXMustang]

That was actually the first bit I watched on this.

I don't actually watched Hardware Unboxed, for the most part I watch GN,LTT,J2C, and even not every video.

**UPDATE**

 

[Lord Tin Foilhat]

New case for the gaming rig....

Gonna finally be rackmounted. Last unit in the rack that isn't in a mounted case.

Stealthy water cooled racked gaming rig

 

[Lord Tin Foilhat]

Except eventually I'll probably take the fronts off the units and send them in to get custom painted to make it more then a boring black 42u rack

 

[Thirdgen89GTA]

Looks like one of the Rosewill cases.

 

[Fish]

Woah. MC Chicago has 3080s, 3070s and 3060TIs in store today. Interesting.

 

[Lord Tin Foilhat]

Midway through transfer to a rack mounted setup for my gaming rig. I need to print some custom brackets for the AIO cooler to be secured. It's a Rose will RSV-4000 case which I gutted the front out of and will print some brackets later to customize it.

 

[Lord Tin Foilhat]

Also need to pick up a handful of noctua fans

 

[Thirdgen89GTA]

If you have a 3d Printer I'd have done 3x 120's up front, and a shroud to force air through the radiator. More flow with less fan noise, or just gone with a 360mm radiator.

If you have PWM control of the fans go for the Noctua IPC3000 PWM fans. They can ramp up to insane flow/pressure rates. But with PWM you can run them where they are quiet with a custom fan curve.

I would have done that for my NAS, but the PWM control on the mobo is slaved to CPU temps. I want to control it via HD temps. So for now I just have them set at a value that keeps the fans quiet and still keeps the drives under 40c.

 

[Lord Tin Foilhat]

If you have a 3d Printer I'd have done 3x 120's up front, and a shroud to force air through the radiator. More flow with less fan noise.

If you have PWM control of the fans go for the Noctua IPC3000 PWM fans. They can ramp up to insane flow/pressure rates. But with PWM you can run them where they are quiet with a custom fan curve.

There's going to be 2 more 120mm in the front. Can't do 3 because I still need to keep a DVD drive for random burnings every now and then