GM New tahoe and suburban (2021)


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No need for a response. The facts are in the data. GM lost market share to Ford this year in this segment. GM will probably see an uptick with a new product, but who knows as the exterior is pretty bad. Ford also has a refreshed Expedition coming for MY 2021 with rumors of a hybrid or electrification.
 

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Sorry, I am working too...

All you have proven is what I said. Ford sales are up. I've said that already. Ford sales SHOULD be up, they've had a new vehicle in the marketplace for a year and half.

Post #104 by me;
Their sales should have naturally increased between the decade plus old platform and this new platform. But they haven't made much of a dent (if at all) in GM's dominance in this category. GM holds 75% - 80% of this market to themselves. The remaining 20% - 25% are split up between fomoco, toyota and nissan. End of story.
But you haven't proven that ford is taking 1:1 a sale from GM as GM is still on track to sell roughly the same amount that they have for years. I came up with 228k above from the data YOU provided. Add in Cadillac, add in cyclicity, I would put that in the 250k - 275k range. GM has been selling that for years.

End of story. GM owns this market and unless they stop selling completely, ford hasn't got a chance.
 

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Sorry, I am working too...

All you have proven is what I said. Ford sales are up. I've said that already. Ford sales SHOULD be up, they've had a new vehicle in the marketplace for a year and half.

Post #104 by me;


But you haven't proven that ford is taking 1:1 a sale from GM as GM is still on track to sell roughly the same amount that they have for years. I came up with 228k above from the data YOU provided. Add in Cadillac, add in cyclicity, I would put that in the 250k - 275k range. GM has been selling that for years.

End of story. GM owns this market and unless they stop selling completely, ford hasn't got a chance.
So I guess the difference is that you think being the #1 market share holder matters, whether you're losing units or gaining units is irrelevant. When really they sell vehicles to make money, not to call themselves the market leader.

GM will stay #1 in this segment for a long time, maybe forever, but I promise you they're missing that ~$450mil in quarterly revenue that they lost to Ford and Toyota. Momentum is not on their side, and time will tell how this ugly redesign plays out for them.
 

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GM is selling less of the three (Tahoe, Yukon, Suburuban) YOY. It looks like they've lost almost 5,000 units.
 

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Hopefully the Yukon’s will be the saving grace. Judging by that camo shot, they might take styling cues from the Sierra which is a lot nicer looking than the Silverado. (In my opinion)
 

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Did GM loose much in sales when they went over to the fugly Silverado?
 

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If Toyota Tundra had better mpg and tech package, every Joe, Dick and Harry would be riding that thing hard.

“But, but it doesn’t tow as much...” what, it’ll tow your over paid, depreciating boat or that penny loafer ghey as fuck LS2 corvette

“But, but it doesn’t accelerate 0-60 in low 5 secs”. Okay, let’s be honest, most Home Depot suburban Dad Bods are not looking to beat John Force in a pick up truck. They accelerate slower than the high debt MILFs in Honda Mini Vans. You know the bitches, with an extra 20 lbs in curves, stretched out Vag and Starbucks in hand.
 

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If Toyota Tundra had better mpg and tech package, every Joe, Dick and Harry would be riding that thing hard.

“But, but it doesn’t tow as much...” what, it’ll tow your over paid, depreciating boat or that penny loafer ghey as fuck LS2 corvette

“But, but it doesn’t accelerate 0-60 in low 5 secs”. Okay, let’s be honest, most Home Depot suburban Dad Bods are not looking to beat John Force in a pick up truck. They accelerate slower than the high debt MILFs in Honda Mini Vans. You know the bitches, with an extra 20 lbs in curves, stretched out Vag and Starbucks in hand.
You are spot on with the MPGs... And I don't understand why they don't fix that.
 

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Does the rear 1/4 and hatch not have a very Expedition esque, feel to it?



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also, i really really like how that suburban looks.
 

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I think the Suburban/Tahoe is much better proportioned than the Expo. I'm still not sold on the front end styling of the Chevys
 

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I think the Suburban/Tahoe is much better proportioned than the Expo. I'm still not sold on the front end styling of the Chevys

the monster wheelbase on the GM's helped.
 

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I think the Suburban/Tahoe is much better proportioned than the Expo. I'm still not sold on the front end styling of the Chevys
Doesn't the side profile of the new expo/navi look eerily similar to the current GM K2's...

We could go in this circle round and round.

It's a box on wheels... similar design cues work and get copied for a reason
 

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