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01bluesnake

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"Yes, the Ford Predator engine is considered part of the Coyote engine family. Think of the Predator as a "cousin" or "evolution" of the Coyote, focused on extreme performance."

"Yes, Ford says the Predator engine is a variant of the Coyote engine"

Ya, but a Dark Horse uses the rods from the Predator and other parts from other motors. Because it is all the same architecture.

The fact you can bolt the different heads to different blocks shows they are compatible because they are coyote-based engines. Saying a 4.6L 4v and Coyote is the same is misleading. Yes, they are both Ford Modular motors. But they do not share the same architecture. You can't bolt parts onto each other from those two motors.


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"Yes, the Ford Predator engine is considered part of the Coyote engine family. The Predator is a "cousin" or "evolution" of the Coyote."

"Yes, the Predator engine is a variant of the Coyote engine"




No one has claimed it is a stock coyote running 6's. It is a built motor that still A LOT of coyote-based parts sourced from Ford. The car owner and engine builder have been very open about what it is. I get the term Coyote gets used a lot. Which isn't wrong. It's just not specific. If you can get the internet to change their phrasing to a "Coyote-based" record, that is fine. lol



Look at it as if you were naming it scientifically. Like a plant or animal. If someone pointed at a tiger and said "Damn, that is a big cat!" are you going to say they are wrong because they didn't call it a Panthera tigris? I doubt it. lol


Ford engine / animal (Tiger)

Domain: Transportation / Eukarya
Kingdom: Ford / nimalia
Phylum: Engine / Chordata
Class: V8 / Mammalia
Order: Modular / Carnivora
Family: Coyote / Felidae (cats)
Genus: Supercharged / Panthera (big cats)
Species: Predator / Panthera tigris (tiger)

Saying it's a "Coyote" isn't any different. It is a family name. As I said before, those are all names of engine development programs that fall under the Coyote architecture. If people called it a "Coyote-based" motor, I think adds some leeway and is acceptable.

I know the Predator is an upgraded version of the Coyote block, but calling it a coyote versus Predator is my issue. No Coyote equipped vehicle has that block, just the GT500, which nobody would ever say they have a Coyote, because its incorrect. Again, its the masses just blanket labeling a record. To be honest, i believe MMR holds the records for an actual sleeved coyote block block. Putting a different block in, takes away from it. At that point, you could run a billet block, because its the same architect as the Coyote block if we are not sticking to what it is. just like all the early mod motor stuff from the 2V-3V-4V, while all of it was different, it all could be swapped together and workd, but depending on what block, heads you had, power was gonna be different and it was a different engine. A Teksid was a very stout block, compared to a early WAP aluminum, but claiming a WAP block record using a Teksid would get a lot of people pissed.
 

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I know the Predator is a Coyote block,

Finally! We are done here guys. Even he admits it finally.

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I believe they said they were making the power with the sleeved stock 5.0 block. But it would only last a small number of passes before they had block distortion and issues keeping the head sealed. So the change was more due to less maintenance between rounds. And of course, the drag and drive would be impossible due to coolant leaking after a couple of passes. There is no doubt this block is helping their program. At one point they hadn't even lost a rod. They lost a few bearings tho.

With the Predator block being a production block, it is still cool to see production parts surviving. It's cool GM offers the LSx block. But it's not a production block.

And good luck getting everyone online to adopt whatever name you think is appropriate. I don't see it happening. At the end of the day does it matter? It's a badass car that uses a lot of production parts in the motor. No matter what what you call it. Even if it's the generic family name of coyote.
 

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Finally! We are done here guys. Even he admits it finally.

:rofl:



I believe they said they were making the power with the sleeved stock 5.0 block. But it would only last a small number of passes before they had block distortion and issues keeping the head sealed. So the change was more due to less maintenance between rounds. And of course, the drag and drive would be impossible due to coolant leaking after a couple of passes. There is no doubt this block is helping their program. At one point they hadn't even lost a rod. They lost a few bearings tho.

With the Predator block being a production block, it is still cool to see production parts surviving. It's cool GM offers the LSx block. But it's not a production block.

And good luck getting everyone online to adopt whatever name you think is appropriate. I don't see it happening. At the end of the day does it matter? It's a badass car that uses a lot of production parts in the motor. No matter what what you call it. Even if it's the generic family name of coyote.

Yeah, the Predator block is an upgraded version of a coyote block, won't deny that, but that is also why it is not called a Coyote. or even a coyote gen 1, 2,3,4 because its not. His car is super fast no doubt, can't anyone take that from him. I don't think anyone has really cared to challenge the name, because nobody is running the Coyote block anymore, so they just use the word/term as a class for the newer modular engines, regardless of the variant. Again, it's not Brett that is the problem. No, i don't expect a change in the name, because that is how the events started, as Coyote, since that was the only engine out at the time. They wanted to separate themselves from the Mod motor events, they wanted to be there own event. The 5.2 also have multiple changes and generations, castings. The FRPP 5.2 is not the same as the production Predator, slightly different material/reinforcement what i know, but could be wrong. I'm just saying, claiming Coyote is very open ended. That means any block that takes after the Coyote, is a Coyote, regardless of the Variant. If the material doesn't matter, or the name, then does it matter if the record is taken by a billet Coyote, or Bear Coyote block? Would they be claiming Coyote record? I like records, but i also like records that are accurate.
 

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Just so everyone is clear, every single variant of an LS is an LS. From an LS1 through to a fully billet block. This is also true for Honda engines (D series, B series, K series etc.), SBC, BBC, Hemi, Mitsubishi, Toyota., SBF, BBF, everything EXCEPT the Coyote. Look at us all learning things today.

Also I had never even heard of the predator block until Brett said something about it in a video sometime last week, and then this thread. Never heard anyone say "Its a predator engine" or "Yeah shes a Voodoo". I will be 100% sure to tell a GT500 owner nice coyote when I see one!
 

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Just so everyone is clear, every single variant of an LS is an LS. From an LS1 through to a fully billet block. This is also true for Honda engines (D series, B series, K series etc.), SBC, BBC, Hemi, Mitsubishi, Toyota., SBF, BBF, everything EXCEPT the Coyote. Look at us all learning things today.

Also I had never even heard of the predator block until Brett said something about it in a video sometime last week, and then this thread. Never heard anyone say "Its a predator engine" or "Yeah shes a Voodoo". I will be 100% sure to tell a GT500 owner nice coyote when I see one!

He's been using the predator since the last car. I know that. I've seen the videos back when he was going for like 2500+ hp. They were doing a tear down and they said it was a predator.


View: https://youtu.be/_Sg-0NRwdeo?si=jkd1xzhHJl_lkOkK&t=108
 

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Just so everyone is clear, every single variant of an LS is an LS. From an LS1 through to a fully billet block. This is also true for Honda engines (D series, B series, K series etc.), SBC, BBC, Hemi, Mitsubishi, Toyota., SBF, BBF, everything EXCEPT the Coyote. Look at us all learning things today.

Also I had never even heard of the predator block until Brett said something about it in a video sometime last week, and then this thread. Never heard anyone say "Its a predator engine" or "Yeah shes a Voodoo". I will be 100% sure to tell a GT500 owner nice coyote when I see one!

And dont forget the 12-14 Boss 302 Roadrunner engine. Or the older GT500 trinity and condor engines.
 

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He's been using the predator since the last car. I know that. I've seen the videos back when he was going for like 2500+ hp. They were doing a tear down and they said it was a predator.


View: https://youtu.be/_Sg-0NRwdeo?si=jkd1xzhHJl_lkOkK&t=108

The video you shared as proof clearly states coyote on the thumbnail and the title. I dont think he is running a Harbor Freight engine at all.

 

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I see where Drew is coming from but this shits been going on since the dark ages. Different variants of something being lumped into one thing.

All I know is if someone EVER mistook my 4.6 281 CI DOHC 8 bolt crank Terminator based war hammer fuck machine engine for a lowly 4.6 2V SOHC 6 bolt crank anemic POS engine like Jeffs FRC Jeffs FRC has or @Chet Donnelly has in their poverty GT's they'd be pushing up daisies.
Uh, my car is an ultra limited edition 2001 Ford Mustang Bullitt finished in Dark Highland Green. Don't you dare confuse it with a standard cookie cutter GT pos or you'll be the one that's 6' under, dildo!
 

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Oh look, a bunch of Termi **** revving their whiny blowers, aka their mating call, to each other on the way to the gay bar. I swear you guys are the worst of the worst Mustang owners. Complete blowjobs.
 

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Oh look, a bunch of Termi **** revving their whiny blowers, aka their mating call, to each other on the way to the gay bar. I swear you guys are the worst of the worst Mustang owners. Complete blowjobs.
The jealously from the centri blower guy.
 
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