🔧 BUILD LAME Turbo V6 Camaro

[sktchy]

Intake gasket set should have one in it? Hell I could probably dig around here and find one if you dont have any luck

 

[v6buicks]

Intake gasket set should have one in it? Hell I could probably dig around here and find one if you dont have any luck

You would be right about that. I probably had one too, but I really didn't want to replace it with another rubber. Only to do it again a year down the road.

I poked around some o-ring kits and found a matching rubber. Then I did some more digging and found a viton. Hopefully that's a win. The Fuel Injection Connection just says "for methanol and E85" so I have no way of knowing what material they use. Oh well. It think this will be a lot more resistant to chemicals than rubber. By the way, what is this thing called?? Google isn't helping me.

I'm also finding that my original vacuum harness is starting to fall apart as evidenced by the rubber still on the top nipple. lol This sucks because it's V6 Camaro specific. I think it'll be fine for now, but it's something I need to start shopping for or figuring out how to make with some vacuum hose and adapters.

 

[sktchy]

Map sensor pedestal I had to look it up for some doof on fb one day

 

[v6buicks]

Damn. I google that and still can't find it. I might have to poke around GM Parts Direct or somthing.

 

[sktchy]

Got you my guy https://www.bing.com/aclk?ld=e82Gdx...Edyb3Vw&rlid=3563fa430be6136785569b00edf9cdcb

 

[sktchy]

Nevermind it pulled the sensor wtf

 

[sktchy]

Is yours broken or? Maybe a junkyard kinda thing?

 

[v6buicks]

I just sent my injectors to my buddy in Oswego. He's going to check them out on his flow bench. They don't get there until Monday though, and he'll still have to ship them back.... I'm thinking about being an idiot and wiring up that WOT box while I wait. I love adding variables to mix before I've even figured out my running issues.

The instructions are not very good though. It's to be expected to an extent, but I could at least use some electrical limitations.

Good thing I have service manuals. Here's the CPP circuit.

Here's the throttle circuit.

And here's the ICM circuit.

bs009 Help me confirm. What exactly did you do? This is what I think I need to do based on the books. Maybe this deserves it's own thread in the technical discussions.

 

[v6buicks]

Is yours broken or? Maybe a junkyard kinda thing?

The part itself is fine. I was more or less just bothered that I couldn't find any information about it or the oring. lol I'm over it now. N2MB sounds more fun.

 

[Mr_Roboto]

Shit back in the day the cars just had the "Orb of power" to handle vacuum duties.

Nothing serious to add here.

 

[v6buicks]

Updated. I think the power going into the box can come from anywhere. This sure is a lot of cutting and splicing though. I think the best way to tackle any of the splices that are connected to the PCM would be to remove the pin and re-crimp a new Micropack pin with two wires in it instead of the stripping splicing and re-soldering nonsense. I am a little nervous about doing that because I know those pins are super tiny. I think that GM actually did that in a couple slots though, so it should be okay. Then the only actual splice I'll have to make is for the throttle position.

Something is odd about that though. I am unable to find a connection between the TAC module and the PCM. Somehow the PCM needs to know the throttle position, but I'm not seeing anything on the C1 or C2 pin-out chart with that label. I'll do some more digging tonight and hope that isn't part of the class 2 serial data. It would be pretty slick and much easier to have all the signal wires coming directly from the PCM. ?

 

[sktchy]

Fireballs would be so awesome. But my luck I'd do everything right and still trash another bottom end.

 

[v6buicks]

Fireballs would be so awesome. But my luck I'd do everything right and still trash another bottom end.

I decided to cool my jets. It's not worth adding the variables right now. Besides, it's already spiraled from "just six wires" to depinning the ECM connectors and basically the dash harness redo all over again. I don't really have time to play with the car this weekend, and if I really feel the need to work on something I should do brakes on the 240.

What it comes down to is that I've been watching way too much Drag Week coverage, and it makes me want a race car. I need to be patient though or else I'll have nothing fun to drive this fall.

 

[sktchy]

The struggle is real

 

[bs009]

This was the way I wired mine, but my car has a cable throttle body and not the drive by wire deal. Is there a sensor on the pedal too on those? That might be easier to pull from, but you could just try and pull one of those signal wires you mentioned too. You can invert the signal in the WOT box software if the voltage is backwards (5v open or 5v closed, either way can work). Worst case scenario you can just add a switch somewhere for WOT on the pedal somewhere to have that send power to the WOT box and trigger it.

Their docs mentioned to pull the RPM signal from an injector in the cobalt write-up and that worked perfect for me. I don't think the typical RPM signal will work but who knows

You can definitely pull power from anywhere for it. I also added a relay for the coil power so I can have it switch between normal constant 12v like it would have from the factory and the pulsed 12v signal from the WOT box.

Clutch signal is flexible because you can invert that one in the WOT box too so that should work. I think I want to tweak mine a little bit so that it keeps the WOT box engaged when the clutch is in its friction zone but I can probably get around doing that by launching the car properly. Just something to consider.

excuse my very crude drawing that I had to fix with paint

 

[v6buicks]

This was the way I wired mine, but my car has a cable throttle body and not the drive by wire deal. Is there a sensor on the pedal too on those? That might be easier to pull from, but you could just try and pull one of those signal wires you mentioned too. You can invert the signal in the WOT box software if the voltage is backwards (5v open or 5v closed, either way can work). Worst case scenario you can just add a switch somewhere for WOT on the pedal somewhere to have that send power to the WOT box and trigger it.

Their docs mentioned to pull the RPM signal from an injector in the cobalt write-up and that worked perfect for me. I don't think the typical RPM signal will work but who knows

You can definitely pull power from anywhere for it. I also added a relay for the coil power so I can have it switch between normal constant 12v like it would have from the factory and the pulsed 12v signal from the WOT box.

Clutch signal is flexible because you can invert that one in the WOT box too so that should work. I think I want to tweak mine a little bit so that it keeps the WOT box engaged when the clutch is in its friction zone but I can probably get around doing that by launching the car properly. Just something to consider.

excuse my very crude drawing that I had to fix with paint

The TAC module is attached to the pedal on this car, so it's definitely the best place to get the throttle signal. That's interesting info regarding the tach signal. That might be a good opportunity to ditch these adapters and solder injector pigtails in place.

Dang. This turned into a lot of work!

 

[v6buicks]

My luck with this car is shit.

 

[Mr_Roboto]

My luck with this car is shit.
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I need to do that to my shit yet I dread doing it. Who did you use?

 

[sktchy]

I would imagine if I'd send my 60s from zzp in they'd be worse than that. But I second asking where you got that done because I'd like to get em done someday just to see. My ebay 80s came with a printout of flow rates I quickly tossed in the trash but at least I have some kind of good feeling about going back in with those.

 

[v6buicks]

I need to do that to my shit yet I dread doing it. Who did you use?

My buddy is an auto teacher at Waubonsee College so he tossed them in there for me.

I guess I get to buy another set for the Camaro instead of getting new ones for the GN like I planned. I believe that these too came from ZZP. Perhaps I can buy a V8 set and try to make two good sets?

 

[Mr_Roboto]

Any chance of you being able to find a dealer to see about getting a singleton? Any chance its clogged/leaky and a cleaning will fix it up?

My injectors are high Z SVO 35s modded to 55s kind of like today's decapping craze. I guess nothing is new under the sun. I'm fucked if those puppies are messed up, I'd be offloading them to someone with a 6er.

 

[v6buicks]

Any chance of you being able to find a dealer to see about getting a singleton? Any chance its clogged/leaky and a cleaning will fix it up?

This is post-cleaning. ? I don't know if buying a single injector is an okay thing to do or not. Aren't they calibrated in sets? Maybe ZZP just breaks up V8 sets to make V6 sets which is why they don't flow well? I found it ultra strange yet typical that they showed up in ZZP packaging instead of whatever Siemens used.

 

[Mr_Roboto]

possible you have a bad injector. Typically such things are done by taking lots of a part, measuring and then making sets of them that match in characteristics. Say 250 or so nets you about 31 sets of injectors and a couple that are sent back as out of spec or doa or sold individually. I would look at a few injector shops if you have flow results and ask if they could get you one based on those numbers.

 

[v6buicks]

The never ending project continues. Perhaps it was a bad idea to bring this Frankenstein to life in 2020. It's cursed now.

 

[Mr_Roboto]

Know the feeling honestly, I'm getting pissy with my shit enough to where I'm tempted to offload it before I move. May regret it later thinking I probably wouldn't.