GI 2000 GTP that runs low 12's

Thinking of selling my car to move on to something a little more normal.

Before anyone freaks....remember, I have been using this as my DD for 8 years. There's nothing major wrong with it other than age and milage. I'm just sick of it, and want to do something different.

I may sell it "as-is"

It needs new front hubs and 1 axle, but drives OK. The front struts could use a changing, but overall the suspension is good. The axle works fine, but the boot is torn (May just want to replace the boot, but I will normally just replace the whole axle). The Hubs don't hum yet, but my ABS light will intermittantly come on (that coupled with the milage since I last replaced them leads me to think they should be swapped out)

The engine runs like a champ, but it does have some quirks. The front cover is leaking, and needs new gaskets. The motor never had a leak until I put the new timing chain on 2 months ago, and I suspect it's the seal at the harmonic balencer. I also replaced the power steering pump when I put in the new TC and tensioner.

Car has no emmissions equipment. No PCV (well externally sumped anyway) no Cat, no EVAP, no EGR, but has passed IL inspections w/o an issue. I have all the pieces other than the cat to put it back to stock.

Car has been hacked up in a few places (tirewell flipped for muffler clearance, some custom brackets, yada yada) all can be converted back, if you need to.

I have a whole extra brake system, the bumper supports (not on the car)...a bunch of extra stuff. Even an extra L36 block if you want...

145K miles!!! and trust me the body ain't perfect (hard sell huh?)

You can buy the whole deal for $4500, part it out yourself. Car is fast as ***, or just hustle with it. Car is trapping 115 right now on the stock bottom end and cam...idles like stock. (and gets 30 MPG hwy)

I'm pondering parting out the mods for it then selling the car whole, or just parting everything on it. The car is capable of 11.70's as it sits if you can get the launch right. Car has been a trooper over the years and have had no major issues. The block, heads, trans are all original and have never been out of the car or serviced. The deepest the motor has been into is replacing the LIM gaskets with aluminum ones.

I have some vids on myspace and facebook, as well as other that are on youtube from other people. Car Dynoed 293 to the tire on a Mustang dyno with full exhaust. With the dynojet correction puts it at 328 to the tire (#1 HP record m90/stock cam), unplug the exhaust and throw it on the dynojet and it will probably pull about 340hp.
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MODS ;will be hard to remember everything, but:

HAI with big K&N

Custom LS1 TB set-up with adapter and body blended into SC. LS1 TB is epoxied and smoothed internally and has the thinner L32 throttle blade. Has been modified so that the PCV functions normally.

Ported SC inlet/outlet. This was a custom job by me, it's perfect. The blower just got new bearings and rotors 6 months ago.

WBS IC, this was a pre-production unit. I modified it to have the PCV work like stock. I also opened up the inlet and outlet to match the blower/lim. The core in the basket is a ZZP one. The original was trashed, so I got the new core about a year back. The IC system has a 10GPM pump, and I have a Griffin 2 row racing radiator as my FMHE. It measures something like 31 x 12.5" ...it's something like $300 or something from what I recall.

I have a custom extra idler system along with a custom pulley set-up for the SC belt.

Motor mounts are all custom fabbed.

Modded S&S headers, 2.5" stainless exhaust to f-body muffler

LIM is port matched and polished.

Accel wires

relocated the coils because of the custom engine mounts.

Custom fuel rails

57# injectors

MSD BAP

Walbro pump

smaller brake booster

custom lower control arms

grand am brakes

modified trailing arm mounts

AC delete

Bigger engine radiator / bigger internal trans cooler

Shift kit

external PCV with monitoring guage and oil seperator

1.91 modified stock rockers

AFPR

2.6/2.7/2.8 MPS

GMPP lowering springs / KYB struts

Any rust Ron?

The leading edge of the hood is starting to get it pretty bad. Right under the gas door there is a small bubble that hasn't flaked off yet...that's about it for what's visible. On the pass side strut tower to firewall there is a pretty good spot that I routinely paint over, as well as a spot in the trunk on the driver's side strut tower.

Car is pretty clean overall, but it is 8 years old so there are some dings and imperfections. The worse one is by the pass side headlight. I backed into the car with my wife's old Pacifica. I replaced the light and corner, the bumper popped right back but the paint is spiderwebbed up pretty well there, and the fender popped back out, but needs a little more TLC to be right on.

Overall, it's not bad for it's age and how little effort I put in to appearance over the years. Somebody handy with all things body related could get this thing to be a looker without trying too hard. I used to to auto body so I have a pretty good grasp of the condition. If I were redoing the car I would definately replace the hood and front bumper skin, everything else would be easy for prep.

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Pics of some of the custom parts here:http://www.clubgp.com/newforum/tm.a...lded&language=single&tmode=&smode=&s=#4463219
 
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Mike K

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I'm not-super happy about it, as my car still doesn't have the new block in it, it takes up space in the garage, and my car is still on WBS's site as well as advertising banners. I get absolutely nothing out of it.
Ron, I had no idea you were displeased with the car being on the site. I also can't imagine what you mean when you say you've gotten nothing out of it. Just off the top of my head I can think of dyno time I've paid for, the intercooler you received for free (and then sold your original intercooler to make even more $$$), me stripping parts off the drag car so that we could install them on your car and race it, me towing your car to the track so we could race it at my expense... There's more but it gets personal and there's no need to air that here but I thought I had always treated you fairly. It was never a fully sponsored "WBS is going to pay for everything on the car" type deal but I don't think either of us ever went into it with that intention... You've always referred to it as one of "our" cars too.

I wasn't aware that there was any issue with me still having it up there and you haven't called or emailed to say anything to that effect. In fact, this is the first I've heard of any displeasure you have with me and for the life of me, I can't imagine what it would be about...

I just left you a message. Give me a call when you get a chance so we can figure things out if there is an issue. If you all of the sudden want the car removed from the site that is certainly your choice. I don't want it up there if you don't want it up there or if you think that we're taking advantage of you. I assure you the only thing your vehicle would encourage people to buy would be S&S headers (which we're about to drop because Pacesetters are now 1 5/8ths), rockers, and Intercoolers (which we haven't had for over a year). Obviously there's not much that setup is doing to sell parts for us but I've always bragged about the car to people because it's always been one of my favorites and it demonstrates just how much can be done on a budget.

I think what's most disheartening here is that you have my phone number and an array of email addresses for me and I don't have so much as a message or email from you saying that you have even the slightest of issues. I have to wait for someone to point a post out to me where you allude to being taken advantage of. I figured we knew each other well enough that you could give me a call and tell me if something was bothering you. I think we DO know each other that well and I hope you will give me a call.
 
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Ron Vogel

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Ron, I had no idea you were displeased with the car being on the site. I had assumed that me tossing all the drag car equipment on your car, towing it to race days at my expense, tossing you the new intercooler for free, and giving you that block was more than enough to consider it one of our cars. You've always referred to it as one of "our" cars too. I wasn't aware that there was any issue with me still having it up there nor have you called or emailed to say anything to that effect. In fact, this is the first I've heard of any displeasure with me and for the life of me, I can't imagine what it would be about...

I'll give you a call. I've known you too long for a misunderstanding about something to get blown up into something bigger than it is...

I can't talk at work, but basically yes at one point everything was cool. I've asked for help several times and got no response.

I'll leave it at that, I wrote up a giant deal on it but it's just not worth it.
 
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Mike K

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Ron, I'm not sure what help or where you called but I don't have anything to that effect here. If you had asked and it was something I could help with I would do so. That offer still stands as well. I hope that any issue here is simply a matter of miscommunication as again, I've always considered myself to treat you beyond fair.

Give me a call and we'll get whatever issue you have taken care of. I consider you a friend above all the car crap and if there is a problem or you feel that this is a lopsided business relationship I want to hear about it.

The problem with posts like this is that before I've even heard that you have any kind of problem there's 50 posts on various forums saying that Ron and Mike have had a falling out before Mike even knew that Ron had any sort of problem... I realize I might sometimes not be the best person at answering phone calls but emails don't get missed and I always respond to them. If I would have had any idea there was any sort of concern on your part I would have addressed it in a hurry.
 
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Mike K

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I'm not-super happy about it, as my car still doesn't have the new block in it, it takes up space in the garage, and my car is still on WBS's site as well as advertising banners. I get absolutely nothing out of it.
Ron, Just give me a call. That's all I ask. If you have an issue with me there's no better person to discuss the issue with than me.

Mook asked me to calm down. It is his site. Id love to chill here while new people come in. Ill respond with a positive attitude cause I am a team player.
And I appreciate it. When it appears that people that have supported me for awhile have an issue with me that's an easy jab for someone that doesn't like me to take...
 
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Fish

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I feel like I'm only on this forum when something disastrous happens...

In other news, $3500 for this car is a steal, even as a race car. It's a solid car and fast as piss... assuming your piss travels at the speed of light.

Maybe if you came more often other then when someone says something bad about ya, you could be part of the crazy big family. Just a suggestion. :hs:
 

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