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sickmint79

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We Pay You to Learn to Code

i really like this model. the educator is also incented to help you land a job after you graduate, and a high paying one with high potential at that.

Our program comes with some obligations. It’s full-time. We pay $2000 for 5 months.

There are responsibilities after the program’s done. Graduates must pay 15% of their income for 2 years back to Modern Labor if they’re earning over $40,000. If the total paid amount hits $30,000, they don’t owe us anything more.

i would happily teach people my skillz if i got to shave off some of their salary. although i'm not going to pay them 2000 a month to learn from me full time for 5 months. we'll see how this program does. awesome opportunity for anyone looking.
 

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Trainees work intensively full-time for 40-60 hours per week to complete the work schedule. This full-immersion forces you to rapidly adopt a developer's mindset and increases your learning - ultimately helping you get hired.
:eek3:

so i can't do this on the side after work for 2 hours per night apparently.
























makes sense though... :rofl:
 

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they note a lot of online courses not being completed - i think that is the problem with the online 2 hour stuff - have done plenty of that myself. since they are actually investing the 10k into you, not surprised at the demand/expectation of 40+ hours a week.
 

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yeah that's why i said "makes sense though"
 

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i wonder how easy it is to get jerbs - i would suspect pretty easy like they'd have some friendly companies already lined up for this.

looks like the only current program is for a full stack developer, which is a pretty wide field. not my own though. i have been lazy about my 2 hours here/there getting certified on amazon for mine, although it's not going to do much for me anyway, so lazy sickmint79
 

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That reads a lot to me like they pay $2000 total over 5 months. Meaning $400/month.
 

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that wouldn't flow with the 'living wage' thing nor the author's story of 10k that made the difference for him. it is in fact 2k monthly !
 

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Oh so on a different website than what was linked. Gotcha. Article on LinkedIn is still poorly written.
 

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real tough to click through twice to read about the program


maybe this isn't for you.
 

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My name is Francis Larson and I am a founder of Modern Labor.
the link's in the first sentence of the linkedinn article :rofl:
 

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You would think when writing a professional publication trying to get people to sign up, you'd be more clear. It's definitely not for me, seems like their target salary is $40k so that's a no from me dawg (despite what they say is the average).
 

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If you're starting out with nothing working a mcjob and are motivated this is a hell of an opportunity truthfully. Otherwise not so much.
 

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You would think when writing a professional publication trying to get people to sign up, you'd be more clear. It's definitely not for me, seems like their target salary is $40k so that's a no from me dawg (despite what they say is the average).
Who can afford to take 6 months off without income in order to learn? A lucky few. Tutoring has always been the hallmark of wealth. Being free is not enough. You can’t eat free. I remember back when we were building Leif, I told Dickie, our co-founder, if I only had an extra $10,000 I could build out the product for a couple months. Otherwise I had to work. He ended up giving the money. We sold the company the next year for millions of dollars. That couple months made all the difference. I had this before as well, but on a smaller scale. When I left college I had a degree in Philosophy which meant I had to learn a skill in order to do what I wanted. Because of my family, I was able to live for free for the many months while I learned to code. It was the hardest, most focused period of my life. It has proven to be the most valuable.

Not everyone has this. Not everyone has a friend with an extra 10 grand, or parents who can write a big check, or a free place to live. We want to be that friend to everyone in the world. We are paying people to learn.

Learning requires grit
Our program comes with some obligations. It’s full-time. We pay $2000 for 5 months. Sometimes that’s more than enough to live on, sometimes it’s not, especially in the Bay Area. Right now we can only accommodate those with the right to work in the United States. The program is hard. Learning requires grit. We guide the students with a learning pathway and code reviews, but it’s ultimately up to them. If they don’t do their lessons, we don’t pay. We are convinced that the best developers are able to teach themselves.

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You're such a try hard sometimes. It's objectively vague and not clear. You're just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point.
 

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this is an objectively vague statement:

$91,476
The salary of an entry-level front-end developer (Source: PayScale, 2019)
it's cracking me up how solid of one it is as well.
 

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You would think when writing a professional publication trying to get people to sign up, you'd be more clear. It's definitely not for me, seems like their target salary is $40k so that's a no from me dawg (despite what they say is the average).
no, that is actually a terrible scenario for them - they take 15% of your salary over 40k for 2 years, with a ceiling of 30k. (this is after paying you 10k.) if you only made 40k, they would have put the time, money, and effort into training you - to get nothing back.

they are *strongly* incentivized to help you get a job, so you start paying them back, and for as much money as possible, so they get the money back as quickly as possible.

this is splashed right on the actual website:

$91,476
The salary of an entry-level front-end developer (Source: PayScale, 2019)


If you're starting out with nothing working a mcjob and are motivated this is a hell of an opportunity truthfully. Otherwise not so much.
this would be a big opportunity for a lot of people, ramping up from a lower salary or maybe even coming down from a higher one but changing what they want to do. i am sure that they are going to get many more applicants than they can actually support so will have their pick of the litter. my understanding is this is also even done at code bootcamps, despite that you're the one forking over 10, 15k+ to attend.
 

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I wonder if they have some clause where if you wash out or don't land a job afterwards, you're on the hook for the money they paid you.

I knew some guys that went through a similar boot camp, and in return they were obligated to work for the company as a consultant for 2 years. If they left before the 2 years was up, they owed something like 30k for their "training". It was a pretty shitty deal all things considered.
 

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You're basically paying them to work for them. There's way more behind the scenes bullshit than they let on. These dudes are predatory.

This full-immersion forces you to rapidly adopt a developer's mindset and increases your learning - ultimately helping you get hired.
Meaning, pay us so you can code for us and we'll use your code [if it's worthwhile]. They get cash out of the suckers and flunkees as well as free labor for their own benefit, regardless if you're hired or not.

lolno
 

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I wonder if they have some clause where if you wash out or don't land a job afterwards, you're on the hook for the money they paid you.
well they state you owe nothing if you aren't making 40k. i wonder what they would do if you are making 50k but working construction? in any case it would seem a total pain for them if you were trying to stiff them. i'm sure they have their pick of applicants and part of that process will be picking people they trust too.

I knew some guys that went through a similar boot camp, and in return they were obligated to work for the company as a consultant for 2 years. If they left before the 2 years was up, they owed something like 30k for their "training". It was a pretty shitty deal all things considered.
i don't know, is that a shitty deal? what was their earning power before? what was their alternative? there are a lot of places that will pay for your schooling for an MBA too - although with the expectation you stay for x years, and if you leave early, you owe some prorated amount of the tuition. why is that wrong? seems perfectly fair to me really.

You're basically paying them to work for them. There's way more behind the scenes bullshit than they let on. These dudes are predatory.
i wasn't sure if you were talking about b00sted's program or the one i posted, but your excerpt was from the one i posted. where they are paying you to take courses, and you are producing zero work of value to them (or anyone).


This full-immersion forces you to rapidly adopt a developer's mindset and increases your learning - ultimately helping you get hired.
Meaning, pay us so you can code for us and we'll use your code [if it's worthwhile]. They get cash out of the suckers and flunkees as well as free labor for their own benefit, regardless if you're hired or not.

lolno
that is not what the modern labor program is doing at all though. you aren't paying them. plus your code probably sucks. i doubt you are building much usable assets for anyone else (who would want to pay for completely uncertain labor?) and modern labor is not hiring you at all. they are farming you out to a real company for hire after your skills are ramped up. and if they don't place you somewhere making money, they are completely fucked, for wasting all their time and money on you.
 

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