Ford Focus RS vs Honda Civic Type-r vs Volkswagen Golf R vs Subaru WRX STI Type-RA

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Ford Focus RS vs Honda Civic Type-r vs Volkswagen Golf R vs Subaru WRX STI Type-RA <-----Link


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4th Place:
2018 Subaru WRX STI Type RA
Rough and tumble Type RA promises much but doesn’t deliver the goods
3rd Place:
2018 Volkswagen Golf R
Soft and heavy at the track but an exceptional long-haul cruiser

2nd Place:
2018 Ford Focus RS
Ford finally delivers the Focus RS we’ve always wanted … just in time for it to go out of production

1st Place:
2018 Honda Civic Type R
Honda’s twist on the sport compact creates the new world-standard hot hatch
 

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3rd place? That's bullshit.
 

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3rd place? That's bullshit.
When it came to its 1:27.90 hot lap, Pobst was frustrated by the Golf R’s softness. “The ride and handling engineers need to have less influence on this car,” he said. “It has a lot of understeer. Especially under power, it understeers like a front-drive car.” :jg:
 

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Can't believe they got the fwd civic to be so neutral from the factory. Limited slip all the fwd hot hatches.
 

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This is Motor Trend . I'm sure somebody got a nice kick back or all inclusive vacation to write a winning article for Honda while they sit underneath an umbrella sipping margaritas.
 

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This is Motor Trend . I'm sure somebody got a nice kick back or all inclusive vacation to write a winning article for Honda while they sit underneath an umbrella sipping margaritas.
Honda was the quickest in a performance test, it's a no brainer why it won. Randy Pobst's review are the arguably the best in the industry. His times really show what the cars are capable of.
 

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I tracked my friend's Golf R and it understeered pretty bad, pretty much like a turbo FWD car would feel, very "safe" suspension setup. Brakes are great though, just some street/track pads and it had plenty of braking power. Most people are going to drag race them anyways, so WGAF.
 

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My haldex is tuned to be more awd biased rather than fwd.. Not sure how much it actually helps.
 

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do these cars all perform better with a swap to 17" wheels? i can't believe they are all 19s and 20s, that's wild.

that civic type r is pretty damn impressive.
 

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Honda was the quickest in a performance test, it's a no brainer why it won. Randy Pobst's review are the arguably the best in the industry. His times really show what the cars are capable of.
Yes and the type R has been an already known killer , and here we are half way through the year and another Honda article .
 

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do these cars all perform better with a swap to 17" wheels? i can't believe they are all 19s and 20s, that's wild.

that civic type r is pretty damn impressive.
17's may not be able to fit over their respective Brembos or other assorted hi-po calipers
 

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17's may not be able to fit over their respective Brembos or other assorted hi-po calipers
i guess that does make sense, still surprised to see such monster wheels though. oem civic has some serious looking 6 pot fronts



nonetheless, tirerack has 18s as fitting it, which i'd assume fit on all these cars. tires were all 235/245 on the test. looks like the oem wheels are 28 lbs.

hop over to tire rack and you can get 18x9 weighing 19-21 lbs... plus even stickier tires, that are also lighter... i wouldn't be surprised if that drops 2 seconds
 

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do these cars all perform better with a swap to 17" wheels? i can't believe they are all 19s and 20s, that's wild.

that civic type r is pretty damn impressive.
I know Method or Fifteen 52 have a 18” wheel option for the RS now. If I owned either the RS or Type R that’d be my first change.
 

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Lift it up 2", put some black plastic cladding all along the bottom, and that's what we'll be getting in the US :tear:
 

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I know Method or Fifteen 52 have a 18” wheel option for the RS now. If I owned either the RS or Type R that’d be my first change.
There are 18" Konig Flow Formed wheels that fit the RS that weigh 17-18 lbs. I have a set on my ST. Moving from a 25ish lb wheel to an 18 lb wheel is a nice difference. But you also have to watch tire weights. Those can range from 20 lbs to 25 lbs, and since the rotating mass is further from center, the weight of the tire is even more influential than the wheel.
 

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There are 18" Konig Flow Formed wheels that fit the RS that weigh 17-18 lbs. I have a set on my ST. Moving from a 25ish lb wheel to an 18 lb wheel is a nice difference. But you also have to watch tire weights. Those can range from 20 lbs to 25 lbs, and since the rotating mass is further from center, the weight of the tire is even more influential than the wheel.
i looked at that too - the 235 conti sport6 20" on it vs. the 235 dz2* spec. the latter is a heavier tire. nonetheless, the mass isn't as far out, and the compound is much sticky ickier.

some track bros said swapping to 18s was pretty common on these. still surprised they don't come with them to lower the price and grab another second and make the car even more of a fighter.
 

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They still look good on 18's too.

 

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