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Ha Ha that she's taking it for granted that Trump will lose to Biden in the general election.

I can see the debates already. Trump has 40 years of Biden missteps to quote. Biden has orange man bad.
Every last tiny bit of dirt on Trump has been dug up and used already...People have been scrounging for 3+ years already.

Who know what's out there on Biden.
 

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There's a LOT on Biden. Plagiarism in a previous Presidential campaign, losing his train of thought countless times, reversing his positions on issues, working with segregationists, etc.
 

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Quite frankly I think the 40 years of policy will help some but he will be his undoing in the here and now. He seems to be saying things that are just out there constantly and from a guy who claims to be "very stable" and actually seems to want to be taken seriously about it (Trump saying it is more of a punch line IMO) it's not a good look.
 

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he seems to be making old person gaffes and young people seem to perceive him as 'just another old white guy' - being not trump helps but he's not going to inspire much passion from anyone.
 

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Any DEM candidate is going to need to try to swing from the radical left in the primaries to more moderate in the general election. It's going to be a tightrope to walk. Can Biden do it?

Radical left will crucify him online if he attempts to tone down their socialist goals. Moderates won't vote for him if he doesn't.

Which group will the DEM candidate toss aside? They will have a VERY hard time keeping both.

Watch out for Warren. She's smart and ruthless. Let's see how she does against Biden in the next debate.
 

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Warren is surging ahead in all recent polls (yes, I know some of you hate polls) even getting ahead of Bernie for the far left vote. The bottom has dropped out on Kamala Harris (Who I thought checked all the boxes and would be the eventual nominee), and it's all been going to Warren.

The question is will Bernie bow out and allow all his support to go to Warren, or will he stay in and split that vote. If he leaves and the majority of his support goes to Warren, shes ahead of Biden in polls from what I can tell. Maybe those two work something out and maybe team up and make a Warren/Sanders ticket early so you know who is going to be VP as well? :dunno:
 

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warren is decent as she is fairly likable and more moderate / capitalist than many of the other choices. sanders is doing better than i expected right now given a wide field and how far left his views are, although i have found most people make up their own definition of socialism or democratic socialism and they probably neither understand bernie's views nor those of people who are actually any type of socialist.
 

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And Warren's a fucking liar too
I think Trump will attack her when she tries to make intersectional panders if she becomes the candidate. I mean there's a fair amount of proof out there right now that she defrauded affirmative action programs by claiming to be Native American for her benefit. Being a liar never stopped anyone from being president, except maybe Hillary. She doesn't seem quite as gaff-ey as Hillary does too either.

political qualification met?
It probably does tick a box :rofl:
 

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I think Trump will attack her when she tries to make intersectional panders if she becomes the candidate. I mean there's a fair amount of proof out there right now that she defrauded affirmative action programs by claiming to be Native American for her benefit. Being a liar never stopped anyone from being president, except maybe Hillary. She doesn't seem quite as gaff-ey as Hillary does too either.



It probably does tick a box :rofl:
part of trump's tactic is clearly to attack and belittle people every which way. she seems like she can handle and throw things back better than biden or hillary. although i don't think anyone would be as relentless about it as trump. ie. i could see a whole trump vs. warren debate where trump just calls her a new name in every response, and the next day, that's all the media talks about, and no one even cares what warren said.
 

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part of trump's tactic is clearly to attack and belittle people every which way. she seems like she can handle and throw things back better than biden or hillary. although i don't think anyone would be as relentless about it as trump. ie. i could see a whole trump vs. warren debate where trump just calls her a new name in every response, and the next day, that's all the media talks about, and no one even cares what warren said.
I think Biden would be easy for Trump to beat down even though the spin will always be against Trump. All he has to do is trip Biden up a little and he'll fall right into a gaffe. The guy can't even do a prepared speech correctly. If you look at '16 a lot of the MSM sources said Hillary won the second debate, which she got trounced in. IMO she won the first and the third was more of a draw than anything.

Warren will be a harder person to do that to but she definitely has vulnerabilities. Just like Biden she's been in politics for a long time which means she's got votes she's made and other liabilities. She's also done a few pretty terrible things as a human being that don't get talked about a lot like what she did to her first husband. It gives Trump room to counter attack if she goes personal.

This says nothing of the thought she needs a coalition that amounts to both radical leftists and moderates at her back to truly secure victory. Trump's gotta avoid turning off a bunch of moderates although that may admittedly be an uphill battle for him.

Elizabeth Warren has been the voice of mediocrity in the debate footage I've seen so far. In this era mediocre may be good enough truthfully. People are kind of accepting of the idea they are in a race to the bottom.

I think he could attack her and there's a lot there to attack.
 

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warren is decent as she is fairly likable and more moderate / capitalist than many of the other choices. sanders is doing better than i expected right now given a wide field and how far left his views are, although i have found most people make up their own definition of socialism or democratic socialism and they probably neither understand bernie's views nor those of people who are actually any type of socialist.
You think that Warren is more moderate than the other choices?

Id say she's side by side with Bernie.

I gotta admit it made me chuckle seeing Warren and Moderate in the same paragraph.
 

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Warren's running on some issues because she can't run on her heritage and she can't run on her past political career.

Issues are what's left and that is actually working for her.
 

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You think that Warren is more moderate than the other choices?

Id say she's side by side with Bernie.

I gotta admit it made me chuckle seeing Warren and Moderate in the same paragraph.
They're close enough they seem to have had a non-aggression pact going in the debates. I think Warren is more palatable in presentation than Bernie to an average voter tbh.
 

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I think Biden would be easy for Trump to beat down even though the spin will always be against Trump. All he has to do is trip Biden up a little and he'll fall right into a gaffe. The guy can't even do a prepared speech correctly. If you look at '16 a lot of the MSM sources said Hillary won the second debate, which she got trounced in. IMO she won the first and the third was more of a draw than anything.

Warren will be a harder person to do that to but she definitely has vulnerabilities. Just like Biden she's been in politics for a long time which means she's got votes she's made and other liabilities. She's also done a few pretty terrible things as a human being that don't get talked about a lot like what she did to her first husband. It gives Trump room to counter attack if she goes personal.

This says nothing of the thought she needs a coalition that amounts to both radical leftists and moderates at her back to truly secure victory. Trump's gotta avoid turning off a bunch of moderates although that may admittedly be an uphill battle for him.

Elizabeth Warren has been the voice of mediocrity in the debate footage I've seen so far. In this era mediocre may be good enough truthfully. People are kind of accepting of the idea they are in a race to the bottom.

I think he could attack her and there's a lot there to attack.
what's the deal with first husband? my lazy quick search didn't show anything particularly interesting.

You think that Warren is more moderate than the other choices?

Id say she's side by side with Bernie.

I gotta admit it made me chuckle seeing Warren and Moderate in the same paragraph.
on the economic front she is definitely not "side by side with bernie" - not sure any of them are side by side with him really. warren's general stance is 'make capitalism better' whereas bernie's is 'replace capitalism'
 

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Warren is surging ahead in all recent polls (yes, I know some of you hate polls) even getting ahead of Bernie for the far left vote. The bottom has dropped out on Kamala Harris (Who I thought checked all the boxes and would be the eventual nominee), and it's all been going to Warren.

The question is will Bernie bow out and allow all his support to go to Warren, or will he stay in and split that vote. If he leaves and the majority of his support goes to Warren, shes ahead of Biden in polls from what I can tell. Maybe those two work something out and maybe team up and make a Warren/Sanders ticket early so you know who is going to be VP as well? :dunno:
Problem with Warren is Hillary tainted the media for future woman president candidates, at least in the short term... Nobody is going to take any poll from a major news media with her seriously IMO since they went sooo hard with Hillary.
 

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Problem with Warren is Hillary tainted the media for future woman president candidates, at least in the short term... Nobody is going to take any poll from a major news media with her seriously IMO since they went sooo hard with Hillary.
There's probably some truth to that but with there actually being a spectrum of candidates and not just Hillary and the "outlaw" candidate It's also possible that perception is a bit friendlier than you make out.
 

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what's the deal with first husband? my lazy quick search didn't show anything particularly interesting.



on the economic front she is definitely not "side by side with bernie" - not sure any of them are side by side with him really. warren's general stance is 'make capitalism better' whereas bernie's is 'replace capitalism'
I dunno about her making capitalism better, her policies I’ve heard are pretty far left. Do you have an example of a more moderate stance of hers? She seems to be pretty in lockstep with the progressive wing of the party with most things that I can recall...

I swear it seems her and Bernie are both courting the same voters...
 

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I dunno about her making capitalism better, her policies I’ve heard are pretty far left. Do you have an example of a more moderate stance of hers? She seems to be pretty in lockstep with the progressive wing of the party with most things that I can recall...

I swear it seems her and Bernie are both courting the same voters...
Elizabeth Warren's Theory of Capitalism - A conversation with the Democratic senator about why she's doubling down on market competition at a moment when her party is flirting with socialism
 

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Washington Governor, Jay Inslee, is OUT.

He ran on climate change and it seems it's not the existential threat in voters minds as much as it is a talking point for DEM Presidential candidates.

I won't miss this guy. He was way left.
 

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Most of the Dem candidates: "Scientists say we only have 10-12 years or we're all gonna die from climate change!"

Bernies 16 trillion dollar Green New Deal plan: "Eliminate fossil fuels by 2050"

Well, which is it, are we all going to be dead in a decade or do we have 30+ years to stop using fossil fuels which we might have been headed towards anyway as things keep advancing.


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/22/climate/bernie-sanders-climate-change.html
 

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