Autocross on 5/14

GottaRide28

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Hey guys thought this might be fun to do. Windy City Miata Club is hosting a autocross at the schaumburg flyers parking lot. It's this sunday so pretty short notice but i just found out about it.

They have classes for non-miata/mazda owners so it might be fun to get out there and see what some cars can do even if you are built for straight line.

post up, pm me if you want to meet up for this.

information is below in links

Register information and classes

http://www.windycitymiataclub.com/signup/autox_reg.htm

Time and schedule

http://www.windycitymiataclub.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=177&Itemid=183#DaysSchedule
 

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Damn, the TGP would have been a blast in this, but I'm going up to Milwaukee to fix it on Sunday.

This should be a fun event. These Miata guys are serious about their handling.
 
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a guy down the street from me was busting my balls about the focus saying lets see what i can do... pssshhh im not set up for autocross what so ever!

LOL B! the grand prix would be a bad ass out there!!!!
 

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a guy down the street from me was busting my balls about the focus saying lets see what i can do... pssshhh im not set up for autocross what so ever!

LOL B! the grand prix would be a bad ass out there!!!!
Doesn't matter what you have done. Give it a try and it can be a blast. Just raise up the air pressures a bit and have a good time.
 

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How much? I might do this
 

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WCMC Members pay $25.

Non WCMC Members with a Miata or WCMC Member without Miata pay $30

Non WCMC Members without a Miata pay $35
 

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Lumina ftw?

If I get the front wheel bearing fixed and the rear calipers working I might be down
 

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I usually go and watch my buddies mustang. Maybe I should try!
 
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sweet we got some people interested then!!!! Do we want to have a meeting spot before hand then go in together or just meet there?
 

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Do I have to sign up in advance, or can I just come and pay the fee?
 
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I just read, you need to wear a DOT helment while out there. They have rentals they will let u use if you dont have one, otherwise bring your own.

also i read these. they have tips for the track if you never done this before

1.Position first, and then speed. Positioning the car perfectly is more important than trying to attain the highest potential speed. For example, you will drop more time by correctly positioning the car nearer to slalom cones than you will by adding 1 or 2 MPH in speed. Same with sweepers (tight line). Same with 90-degree turns (use the entire track). Also, position is a prerequisite for speed. If you are not in the correct place, you will not be able go faster. Or at least not for very long!
2.Turn earlier...and less. To go faster, the arc you are running must be bigger. A bigger arc requires less steering. To make a bigger arc that is centered in the same place, the arc must start sooner (turn earlier).
3.Brake earlier...and less. Waiting until the last possible second approaching a turn and then dropping anchor at precisely the correct place so that the desired entry speed is reached exactly as you come to the turn-in point is quite difficult to execute consistently. Especially when you consider that you get no practice runs on the course, and the surface changes on every run, and you aren't likely to be in exactly the same position with the same approach speed on every run, etc. Better to start braking a little earlier to give some margin of error. And by braking less you can either add or subtract braking effort as you close in on the turn-in point. This will make you consistent and smooth.
4.Lift early instead of braking later. Continuing with the philosophy of #3, when you need to reduce speed only a moderate amount, try an early lift of the throttle instead of a later push of the brake. This is less upsetting to the car, is easier to do and thus more consistent, and allows for more precise placement entering the maneuver (remember #1 above).
5.Easier to add speed in a turn than to get rid of it. If you are under the limit, a slight push of the right foot will get you more speed with no additional side effects. On the other hand, if you are too fast and the tires have begun slipping, you can only reduce throttle and wait until the tires turn enough of that excess energy into smoke and heat. Don't use your tires as brakes!
6.Use your right foot to modulate car position in constant radius turns, not the steering wheel. In a steady state turn, once you have established the correct steering input to maintain that arc, lifting the throttle slightly will let the car tuck in closer to the inside cones.Conversely, slightly increasing the throttle will push the car out a bit farther to avoid inside cones. It is much easier to make small corrections in position with slight variations in the tires' slip angle (that's what you are doing with the throttle) than with the steering wheel.
7.Unwind the wheel, and then add power. If the car is using all of the tire's traction capacity to corner, there is none left for additional acceleration. At corner exit, as you unwind the wheel, you make some available. If you do not unwind the wheel, the tire will start to slide and the car will push out (see #6 above).
8.Attack the back. For slaloms (also applicable to most offsets), getting close to the cones is critical for quick times (see #1). To get close, we must move the car less, which means bigger arcs. Bigger arcs come from less steering and require earlier turning (see #2). Now for the fun part...When you go by a slalom cone and start turning the steering wheel back the other way, when does the car start to actually change direction? Answer: When the wheel crosses the center point (Not when you first start turning back!) How long does that take? If you are smooth, it takes .25 - .5 seconds. Now, how long is a typical person's reaction time? Answer: about.5 seconds.Finally, how long does it take to go between slalom cones? Answer: Typically on the order of 1 second. Given all of that, your brain must make the decision to begin turning the steering wheel back the other way just *before* you go by the previous cone!!Since this is a mental issue, a good visualization technique to get used to this is to think about trying to run over the back side of each slalom cone with the inside rear tire of the car. To hit it with the rear tire (and not the front), the car must be arcing well before the cone and the arc must be shallow. Attack the back!
9.Hands follow the eyes - car follows the hands. 'Nuf said.
10.Scan ahead, don't stare. Keep the eyes moving. Looking ahead does not mean staring ahead. Your eyes must be constantly moving forward and back, and sometimes left and right. Glance forward, glance back. Your brain can only operate on the information you give it.Bonus Tip: Don't forget the stuff in between the marked maneuvers! Too often we think of a course as series of discrete maneuvers. There is typically more to be gained or lost in the areas that are in between. Pay special attention the places where there are no cones.note: Andy has been autoxing for 25 years and an autox instructor for 16 years of those. He has numerous wins and national championships and currently is campaigning a Miata in SCCA C Street Prepared.
 

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OK, so who is coming with me???
 

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It's not hard on the car at all. The engine will stay at high rpms, your car doesn't go above 60mph. Just hard cornering etc. Wanna go?
 

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I have work 8-6 and it's to late to request off. I kinda want to give it a shot though.
 

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mc ones aren't big enough to require prepay or impose a limit.

they almost always throw in a garage, almost to punish you for not bringing a miata. not my favorite courses, 545i and my sloppy hands need to try an autox at least once this summer though.
 

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Throw in a garage? What do you mean?
 

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A garage is a type of obstacle you need to get around.
 

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I'm still kinda confused. It's like an obstacle in the middle of the lane???
 

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let's see

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those are cones, you drive in one entrance and out the other, the tighter the tougher and more they will slow you down
 

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So it's like a mini hairpin turn? Something a heavier car would obviously have problems handling quickly.
 

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