2016 or whatever cobra, half undressed...

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I disagree, especially as its likely to be one of the last to actually have his name... and this car isn't just another car... but not like I could possibly explain that to you guys.

What do you mean?? It's still just a production car. It's not like a KR or F40. It's just another mustang like a ZR1 is just another Vette. Yes they are badass cars but the value isn't there like a 60's GT350 or even a '63 Z06. Those days are over.

I can see the argument for a KR since it was actually modded by Shelby like it originally was back in the day.
 

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What about the 03/04 cobra? That was definately not just another car. Has a bigger cult following, and was much more affordable new. Thats my point. It was not necessary to put his name on there. It just gave Ford the marketing to push the price and demand way up, making it harder for people to afford. Eagle you know better than anyone that you just bought a Sixty-thousand dollar mustang (had to type that out for effect).....lol. But seriously its getting out of hand. His Shelby "KR" cars were $80k and the supersnakes were $100k. Seriously?

Yup, seriously. Next question? :jg:
 

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That's a good question. I think it has paved the way for over priced blue collar cars like a 65K Camaro and 75K Z/28. Prices of base cars have stayed pretty much the same but the halo cars have gotten ridiculous.

I honestly think those cars are almost warranted for having prices like that though... including the gt500... the z/28's are going to sell I think.

and I don't think a gt500 mustang without a shelby name on it could get much cheaper... you need to price it out ahead of the boss which needs to be out ahead of a loaded gt... and the loaded gt has to be ahead of a stripped down gt... which needs to be ahead of a v6... i can definitely understand and agree with the pricing structure and 60k plus (edit... gt500's start at $55k...) for a gt500 to me for what you are getting I think is warranted.
 

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That's a good question. I think it has paved the way for over priced blue collar cars like a 65K Camaro and 75K Z/28. Prices of base cars have stayed pretty much the same but the halo cars have gotten ridiculous.

They are halo cars for a reason bro... the capabilities of "these cars" you're mentioning wouldnt have been DREMPT of even 5 years ago for the prices these things are selling for...

Not sure how we have a leg to stand on.
 

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This whole thread so far is excellent... Good points being made on both sides. When I opened the thread I was all for the Shelby name going away, though I am still very much in favor of the cars being badged "SVT" again I'm not as shitty about carrols name gracing the current cars.
Not that I'll ever have the honor of owning a Shelby GT500 (yes honor) I did have a SVT Cobra for many years and that's why I'm in favor of that brand /product line taking the premier spot back.

I do not however see the cost effected THAT greatly by the badge..
 

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They are halo cars for a reason bro... the capabilities of "these cars" you're mentioning wouldnt have been DREMPT of even 5 years ago for the prices these things are selling for...

Not sure how we have a leg to stand on.

It's not like all the other cars just stayed the same. Every performance car out is on another level than anything from 5 years ago bro....

The 06 GT500 wasn't doing anything an 04 Cobra couldn't and was still significantly more expensive.
 

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It's not like all the other cars just stayed the same. Every performance car out is on another level than anything from 5 years ago bro....

The 07 GT500 wasn't doing anything an 04 Cobra couldn't and was still significantly more expensive.

This. Not to mention all the price addendums added by greedy dealers ONLY because it was a shelby.
 

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It's not like all the other cars just stayed the same. Every performance car out is on another level than anything from 5 years ago bro....

The 06 GT500 wasn't doing anything an 04 Cobra couldn't and was still significantly more expensive.

just because performance-wise it wasn't doing anything "better" (quicker/faster/stickier etc)... it is a better car all around though IMO... better interior & ergonomics... better features... no irs... etc etc.

you can't compare cars based merely off of performance specs imo
 

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:rofl:

So because its on the price tag, you just pay for it???? Right :rofl:

Here's a hilarious rant I just found on R&T's site:
Pater Tempus You are a liar, and an idiot and I have the links to the videos from Motor Trend testing those cars at Mazda Laguna Seca Raceway to prove it. Randy Pobst who drove both cars on the same day at Mazda Laguna Seca Raceway is a Professional Racecar Driver, he also drove the $71k 2014 Corvette C7 Z51, the 2013 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S, and the 2014 Ferarri F12 Berlinetta. He tested the 2013 GT500 and it got a 1:38, he tested the 2012 Camaro ZL1 which ran a 1:39 which is slower than the GT500 you moron, not to mention he also tested the 2014 Corvette C7 Z51 ($71,000) and it ran a 1:38 also, the same time as the GT500, it also beat the Porsche 911 Carrera 4S, and ran the same time as the Ferarri F12 Berlinetta. The GT500 crushes both the 2014 C7 Corvette Z51 and the 2014 Camaro ZL1 in acceleration tests. Mustang GT500 goes 0-60 mph in 3.5 secs, 1/4 mile in 11.6 secs @ 126 mph with a 202 mph top speed, 1.00g on the skid pad, and less than 110 ft braking from 60 mph. Compared to the Camaro ZL1, 0-60 3.8 secs, 1/4 mile 12.1 secs (half a second slower), and only a 180 mph top speed, 1.01g on the skid pad, and 100 ft braking from 60 mph. And the 2014 Corvette Z51 Stingray, 0-60 3.8 secs, 1/4 mile 12.0 secs, and 180 mph top speed, 95 ft braking from 60 mph, and 1.07g on the skid pad. The new Vette handles great but for $71k for the Z51, it better, but it can't beat a GT500 around Mazda Laguna Seca Raceway, it runs the same time, and the Camaro ZL1 is slower than the GT500 around the same track driven by a professional race car driver. Lying about it because the 2012 GT500 was quite a bit slower is something only a loser would only do. Get a life, it's 2014 Jerk.
2012 Camaro ZL1 at Laguna Seca Raceway 1:39 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 Hot Lap! - 2012 Best Driver's Car Contender - YouTube
2013 Mustang GT500 at Laguna Seca Raceway 1:38 2013 Ford Shelby GT500 Hot Lap! - 2012 Best Driver's Car Contender - YouTube
2014 Corvette C7 Z51 Stingray 1:38 at Mazda Laguna Seca Raceway along with a 2013 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S 1:39, and a 2014 Ferarri F12 Berlinetta 1:38 2014 Ferrari F12 Berlinetta vs 2014 Chevrolet Corvette C7 vs 2013 Porsche 911 C4S! Head 2 Head Ep 42 - YouTube
Motor Trend article about this video: 2014 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray Z51 vs. 2014 Ferrari F12 Berlinetta vs. 2013 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S - Motor Trend
So there you go, proof that the Mustang GT500 is faster than the Camaro ZL1 around a 2.3 mile road course driven by a professional race car driver. Not to mention it beat the Porsche Carrera 4S, and ran the same time as the 2014 Corvette Z51 that costs $71k, and a 731 hp Ferarri F12 Berlinetta. Explain that jackass!

2013 Ford Shelby GT500 First Drive – 200 mph Production Mustang Review – RoadandTrack.com - Road & Track
 

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just because performance-wise it wasn't doing anything "better" (quicker/faster/stickier etc)... it is a better car all around though IMO... better interior & ergonomics... better features... no irs... etc etc.

you can't compare cars based merely off of performance specs imo

Literally the ONLY reason to buy an 06 Shelby over a Termi was the interior.
 

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as I said before... you really think that this car would be cheaper than $55k if it didn't say shelby somewhere on it?

I can't see a 662hp anything right now costing less than $55k... brand new with a warranty...

I cant say for sure, but I do believe that without that Shelby name marketing push for the 07 GT500, there wouldnt be this inflated market on the current ones.


Remember when people were paying $25k over sticker for the 2007 GT500?? I do. That started the trend we still are dealing with today for sports cars. There were no huge adds for the 03 cobra.
 

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The diehard DATDERIRSISFERDATEUROTRASH crowd are retards who fueled that. My GTO drove like a dream compared to the Mustang. For performance though, yes I'd stick with SRA unless someone finally figures their shit out and makes a bullet proof IRS.

Don't get me wrong, I think even at $65k, the 13+ GT500s are a fucking steal of a bargain for what you get.
 

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It's not like all the other cars just stayed the same. Every performance car out is on another level than anything from 5 years ago bro....

The 06 GT500 wasn't doing anything an 04 Cobra couldn't and was still significantly more expensive.

thats because there wasnt a camaro for it to compete with. 2003-2010 ford didnt give a shit how fast they were.
 
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