2004-2005 Comp G

AThomas

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I am looking to buy a Comp G. There is a competition coming up at the end of April 2020. I have been reading this forum, GP.com, 3800pro, HP Tuners GM V6 forum, Drag Times and post that show up via Internet Archives Wayback Machine.

One of the classes I want to run has a 12.6 Index. Naturally I would like to run about 2 tenths faster than the Index since there are no hard rules about sandbagging but the truth is I would just take a few degrees of advance out of the car if it was running a little too quick and put it back if track conditions change or we have to hot lap the car which happens usually at the end of the event (Semi's and Finals often no more than 15 mins between passes).

I am unsure what I should do.

Here's what I had in mind (assuming the car is in perfect working order) -

1) Downloaded file or Canned Tune, Log with HP Tuners, tweak as necessary
2) ZZP 3.0 Press On Pulley
3) ZZP CAI w/ Headlight removed at the track, air horn to replace the filter.
4) #80/840cc injectors with Kenne-Bell BOP

I plan on running the same slicks I ran on my Focus ST which are 26 x 8.5 x 17 M&H Racemaster Slicks or the drag radials version of that tire which is 245/45-17 both are about little shorter than size as the OE tires.

On 3800pro somebody liked putting dry ice in the stock air box. Seems that beyond a cooler air charge that it would impact what the IAT sees which would help it not pull timing. I understand that and the knock sensor are particularly sensitive.

On Drag Times I found what seems to be a Canadian car (judging by the 94 octane fuel) that ran 13.9@98 stock tune, 94 octane, Corsa Cat-Back and MSP Cold Air Intake. That gives me further credence that a few mild upgrade with a sticky tire might just run somewhere in the 12's. I can always drop the seats if I need another tenth or so. Especially given that the reduction in 60 ft time from this car down to what I know the slicks are capable off on a prepped track which is at least a 1.7x turns that 13.9 into 13.0 and trap speed because of the higher launch rpm trap speed would go up a couple mph as well.

Sacramento Raceway is typically in good prep and if ambient temp isn't too hot DA will be well below 500 ft.

I am hoping these changes are enough, I can budget in larger injectors if needed but doesn't seem like I would need them at this power level. While I wouldn't get the benefits of cooling with more ethanol than the car needs to reach MBT. I can add pump E85 to a gallon or two of 91 until I get a fault code.

I wanna see how little it takes to get the car to go quickly.
 

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You are going to want a intercooler with a 3.0 regardless of E85. Especially if you want to run consistent. Those 3 mods are not the recipe for a mid 12 3800. I would suggest...

Headers
Intercooler
Injectors
Tune
E85
Drag radials

Don't believe everything you read online such as times with mods. 13.9 with a intake and cat back is NOT common and was likely done with a gutted car, drag radials, and really good air. You will read about cars running awesome times but those times could be from 2006 when these cars were nearly new and running great. 3800's now days have been beat to shit and likely running poorly. Take care of the maintenance first and make sure the car runs good stock before you throw mods at it. You don't want to try and tune over issues.
 
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AThomas

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You are going to want a intercooler with a 3.0 regardless of E85. Especially if you want to run consistent. Those 3 mods are not the recipe for a mid 12 3800. I would suggest...

Headers
Intercooler
Injectors
Tune
E85
Drag radials

Don't believe everything you read online such as times with mods. 13.9 with a intake and cat back is NOT common and was likely done with a gutted car, drag radials, and really good air. You will read about cars running awesome times but those times could be from 2006 when these cars were nearly new and running great. 3800's now days have been beat to shit and likely running poorly. Take care of the maintenance first and make sure the car runs good stock before you throw mods at it. You don't want to try and tune over issues.

Shrug, sure cars can be beat down. I can do a leak down, compression test and send the fluids out for analyst. Then again I could take it to the local 1/8th mile and if runs about what the magazines and manufacturer says it does, I'm within spec.

Headers? Not for what I have in mind.
Intercooler? For the work involved, rather use water-methanol injection on top of E85 or I can go with E98 from Ignite or even methanol.
Tune? was mentioned, I could use a tune from the repositories and skip ZZP, I haven't decided yet.

According to a few injector calculators there should be enough fuel. If I need injectors I will go straight up to 840cc (80lbs) to give me some fueling options, I'll upgrade the pump and run a Kenne-Bell BOP if necessary.

Slicks were mentioned, I like drag radials. Undecided

Defined stripped. You man nothing but the dashboard and the driver's seat? In my experience front seat, rear seat assembly, spare tire/jack/tool and 5 gallons of gas is about 200 lbs of weight reduction or 2 tenths/2 mph.

Maintenance is a given and I'm not buying private party.
 

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Shrug, sure cars can be beat down. I can do a leak down, compression test and send the fluids out for analyst. Then again I could take it to the local 1/8th mile and if runs about what the magazines and manufacturer says it does, I'm within spec.

Headers? Not for what I have in mind.
Intercooler? For the work involved, rather use water-methanol injection on top of E85 or I can go with E98 from Ignite or even methanol.
Tune? was mentioned, I could use a tune from the repositories and skip ZZP, I haven't decided yet.

According to a few injector calculators there should be enough fuel. If I need injectors I will go straight up to 840cc (80lbs) to give me some fueling options, I'll upgrade the pump and run a Kenne-Bell BOP if necessary.

Slicks were mentioned, I like drag radials. Undecided

Defined stripped. You man nothing but the dashboard and the driver's seat? In my experience front seat, rear seat assembly, spare tire/jack/tool and 5 gallons of gas is about 200 lbs of weight reduction or 2 tenths/2 mph.

Maintenance is a given and I'm not buying private party.

Headers will be the best bang for the buck and will make more power than a PLOG.

Intercooler is more reliable especially if you want to be consistent.

a ZZP or DHP base tune is a good start but you will need adjustments to your specific mods.

I have not heard of anyone being able to run a 3.0 on a Gen V with stock injectors.

I had good luck with MT ET Street DR.

13.9 is not common for a car with just a intake/catback. I am saying if those times are true there is more to that.

I would also look at private party cars.
 

AThomas

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FYI, stock GTP / CompG tire size is 225/55/17 not 235.

I agree with Panda.

What about.... Nitrous?

Mistake on my part, what's 10mm anyway?

If you eliminate knock (E85) and wheel spin (slicks) what would a otherwise stock GP run? I'd say somewhere in the 13's. How much is the pulley worth? I'd say half a second. Power log, maybe a tenth.

You only need to go about 103 to run consistent 12 second ET's

The SRT-4 ran [email protected] with a 1.78 60 ft, dyno verified 255 whp (downpipe, o2 housing, cat-back, S1, stock intercooler, front/rear seats removed, no spare/jack/tool. 91 octane with a bottle of Lucas octane booster. That was before you could flash it with Diablosport or SCT or running E85 was popular. Now cars with the same mods are running low 12's, high 11's.

I added a AEM CAI and it ran [email protected]

One of the few videos found online of that car I ran 12.97@101 as I didn't let the car cool down enough before qualifications started.

The GP is heavier but not dramatically so. I'm not convinced the exhaust on the Series III's is that bad. Now if I have the time I would put a pressure sensor on the downpipe to verify, no reason to be in the dark anymore.

If I have the time I would do the incremental approach because I'm curious. Not against nitrous at all, didn't think it would be needed to run 12.6
 

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TCG's very own 1/4 mile listings. probably way out of date, but gives you an idea of times vs mph for 3800's

M90
3. shaferz [email protected] (nitrous)
5. Smug - 12.2 @ 115.7
TommyGloves - 12.334 @ 111.39 (Bonneville)
turtleman - 12.430 @ 106.70 w/ 1.997 (Riveria)
6. 02gtpsleeper - [email protected]
7. TommyGloves - [email protected]
9. BrianG - 12.589 @ 108.20 w/ 1.864
10. Double D - [email protected]
mrfred8 - 12.842 @ 105.29 w/ 1.828 (fiero)
99_GSE - 12.900 @ 107.43 w/ 2.078
AjL227 - 12.989 @ 110.01 MPH w/ 2.116 60'
12. FastKatt - [email protected]
13. UWISHU1 - 13.44@101
15. Bru - [email protected]
16. 98dustingtp - 13.69@99
17. DarkShadow - [email protected]
19. 02BlueGT - [email protected]
 

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TCG's very own 1/4 mile listings. probably way out of date, but gives you an idea of times vs mph for 3800's

M90
3. shaferz [email protected] (nitrous)
5. Smug - 12.2 @ 115.7
TommyGloves - 12.334 @ 111.39 (Bonneville)
turtleman - 12.430 @ 106.70 w/ 1.997 (Riveria)
6. 02gtpsleeper - [email protected]
7. TommyGloves - [email protected]
9. BrianG - 12.589 @ 108.20 w/ 1.864
10. Double D - [email protected]
mrfred8 - 12.842 @ 105.29 w/ 1.828 (fiero)
99_GSE - 12.900 @ 107.43 w/ 2.078
AjL227 - 12.989 @ 110.01 MPH w/ 2.116 60'
12. FastKatt - [email protected]
13. UWISHU1 - 13.44@101
15. Bru - [email protected]
16. 98dustingtp - 13.69@99
17. DarkShadow - [email protected]
19. 02BlueGT - [email protected]

I wish I didnt throw out my timeslips :rofl:
 

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I've been out of the 3800 game a long time and out of my whipple car and turbo car, the fastest I've ever gone was in my m90 and that was 13.0 lol.

My best advice is to really listen to what the folks on here say...a lot of record holders and a lot of knowledge contained in these walls.
 

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The magazines did a 15.0.

I don't see why a 14 second pass isn't unheard of...
 
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