YouTube 1. I had no idea Teslas weighed so much 2. Here is one going 10.4

[Yaj Yak]

Yeah, because auto manufactures only sell in America. Jesus man

we should call up M Mike K and really dive into his comment from 3 years ago for your sake

 

[Yaj Yak]

M Mike K is too busy enjoying ICE V10 sounds coming from his S8. He’s been MIA.

his S8 or battleship excursion

 

[Yaj Yak]

I’m wondering why everybody thinks the electric infrastructure is this delicate egg and if people start getting electric cars it will crumble. Even if gasoline vehicles were banned today it would take 20 years for all the vehicles on the road to be electric based on how long people hang onto average cars before they go to the junkyard. Obviously it isn’t going to happen that fast anyway so there will be ample time for the grid to increase any capacity it needs to. Not to mention charging a car at hone uses about the same amount of electricity as a whole home air conditioner for a few hours so it’s not like the wires coming into your house are going to start melting the insulation off of them or something. my guess is that peoples assumptions about how this kind of stuff works is greatly exaggerated

Possibly because electric infrastructure is already a delicate egg? as seen in Michigan, texas, california, etc.? my boss's house in the UP gets rolling blackouts and it's not like there's much demand up that way.

 

[jason05gt]

we should call up M Mike K and really dive into his comment from 3 years ago for your sake

Someone really needs to get him back on TCG. I miss his dissertations.

Anyways, both Zoomer and Mike were 100 percent wrong in their death date predictions, but did call a shift in the marketplace.

 

[Mook]

I keep asking Mike and a a ton of other members to come back...

 

[jason05gt]

I really enjoyed his last post about restoring the S8. I wish he would come back and update what he fixed. Maybe he’s been busy?

 

[RedBeard]

Wasn’t sure where to dump this as we don’t have an all things Tesla thread.

An in depth look at a P90D rear motor.





In depth look at the electronics/high voltage bits.





In depth of the front motor.

 

[Stink Star]

Here’s the new plaid (maybe plaid+) doing a sub 1:30 on laguna seca.

 

[MikeyLikesIt]

Plaid+ is supposedly a 9 second daily driver.

Tesla Model S Plaid Sets A New 1/4 Mile Record: 9.23 Seconds - CleanTechnica

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cleantechnica.com

 

[willizm]

Plaid+ is supposedly a 9 second daily driver.

Tesla Model S Plaid Sets A New 1/4 Mile Record: 9.23 Seconds - CleanTechnica

Sign up for daily news updates from CleanTechnica on email. Or follow us on Google News! Tesla’s Model S Plaid ... [continued]

cleantechnica.com

The Plaid is suppose to be in the 9's, the plaid+ is said to be sub 9's. Imagine a stock daily driver sedan cracking off a 8.8-8.9 in the 1/4 mile.

 

[Bru]

I really want to drive an S/X with the new-ish adaptive dampers. 2019 and newer I think.

 

[Yaj Yak]

What's stopping it? 20 - 30 years before ICE doesn't represent the majority of sales? I'd say it's closer to 5.

We're at the inflection point right now and the thing is it's all so obvious. You don't need to be a super-genius to see it. We all seem to agree that once we've reached parity it's lights out for ICE and that's the only point I'm making when I say ICE is dead. It's dead technology. You could improve it by a factor of ten and you'd never be able to eliminate it's shortcomings and there will be no breakthrough that suddenly makes it cheaper to manufacture. So since we all seem to agree that once we've reached parity ICE is dead, it seems all we disagree on is when that's going to happen and that's the easy part.

Assume no new interest in battery technology, which isn't realistic at all but let's assume that's the case. We can assume ICE drivetrains are not only not getting cheaper to manufacture but are getting modestly more expensive. So right off the bat you can see that ICE drivetrains have flatlined in terms of costs and are actually starting to increase in recent years whereas electric drivetrains continue to follow their trajectory downward with no signs of stopping. Not only will they get cheaper; they'll get a lot cheaper. You can do the same with charging, the same with charge speeds, the same with range, etc. Any metric naysayers cling to as the one that needs to be overcome before mass adoption is already relatively close to parity and is following a trajectory that will put it beyond parity very soon.

At that point who will buy ICE vehicles? Nobody but enthusiasts. The transition will happen faster than anyone thinks because very suddenly it won't make any sense to buy an internal combustion vehicle. But you won't even have that choice for long because once it does hit price parity, it won't make sense for these for-profit companies to make less efficient powertrains with thousands of parts that they have to warranty.

So again, the argument is when do we hit parity and I think very conservatively you're looking at just a few years. My guess is within 5 years electric is capturing at least 50% of the major automotive markets and almost all of the short haul new purchases (buses, UPS trucks, etc). It will trickle down as it is now with the last segments to switch over being the ultra-cheap economy cars. And to be clear, I'm not saying 50% of the cars on the road; I'm saying new sales. UPS probably isn't going to ditch a bunch of 2 - 3 year old trucks to buy new electric trucks but they'll buy them as older trucks come up for replacement.

To be clear though, 100% ICE is dead. Stick a fork in it. It's gone. Electrification is 100% the future. In my opinion the only thing you could debate there is the power source. Maybe there's some huge breakthrough there, maybe not. Maybe in 30 years we'll all be driving around electric cars with tiny fusion reactors for the power source but they will 100% be electric cars, not shitty old complicated internal combustion engines. I'm as much of an enthusiast as anyone else here but come on... In the grand scope of things ICE is such a relic now and it will only become more apparent with time.

Save this post. Print it and stick it on your fridge and if in 5 years I'm more wrong than I am right, you can shame me. I won't be though.

What's stopping it? 20 - 30 years before ICE doesn't represent the majority of sales? I'd say it's closer to 5. ......



.....My guess is within 5 years electric is capturing at least 50% of the major automotive markets and almost all of the short haul new purchases (buses, UPS trucks, etc). It will trickle down as it is now with the last segments to switch over being the ultra-cheap economy cars .....

Save this post. Print it and stick it on your fridge and if in 5 years I'm more wrong than I am right, you can shame me. I won't be though.

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I think the biggest thing you are overlooking [MENTION=396]Mike K[/MENTION], (and truth be told, maybe you aren't i haven't read this thread since I derailed it) is that the car & truck buyers of the US do not use logic when purchasing vehicles. they use emotions. they buy what they want, not what they need or should have.

I mean minivan's make the most sense for the majority of families out there, yet they are a tough sell

the new hybrid pacifica is rated at 84mpge, yet i've yet to see any

until something DRASTIC happens/changes, I don't think people will change their buying habits.

that's why pickup trucks sell in droves, or 4wd vehicles in general, not because most people need them, but because they want them.

3/4 ton long bed to drop the kids off at soccer?

FUCK YEAH

because maaaaaaaybe i'll go buy a camper some day, that's why I bought a truck.


denali's and escalade's are up 10% over last year there is 0 logic to buy one of those, and GM could put pink dildos on the roof's of each vehicle, and they would still sell.

GOOD MORNING M Mike K

 

[Jimy Bilmo]

What's stopping it? 20 - 30 years before ICE doesn't represent the majority of sales? I'd say it's closer to 5. ......



.....My guess is within 5 years electric is capturing at least 50% of the major automotive markets and almost all of the short haul new purchases (buses, UPS trucks, etc). It will trickle down as it is now with the last segments to switch over being the ultra-cheap economy cars .....

Save this post. Print it and stick it on your fridge and if in 5 years I'm more wrong than I am right, you can shame me. I won't be though.

GOOD MORNING M Mike K

I think 5 years from today will be primarily hybrids. Infrastructure isn’t going to pop up and be viable in 5 years.

 

[Yaj Yak]

I think 5 years from today will be primarily hybrids. Infrastructure isn’t going to pop up and be viable in 5 years.

i dunno how this relates to anything i just said or the quotes from 5 years ago.

 

[Jimy Bilmo]

i dunno how this relates to anything i just said or the quotes from 5 years ago.

I wasn’t reading 5 year ago quotes I was responding to this:

.....My guess is within 5 years electric is capturing at least 50% of the major automotive markets and almost all of the short haul new purchases (buses, UPS trucks, etc). It will trickle down as it is now with the last segments to switch over being the ultra-cheap economy cars .....

 

[Yaj Yak]

I wasn’t reading 5 year ago quotes I was responding to this:

that's a quote from five years ago.


click this.

YouTube - 1. I had no idea Teslas weighed so much 2. Here is one going 10.4

by 2025 the fastest way around a race track is going to be some full EV with a CVT and self driving with perfect sensor reads for grip and correction. ie. it's just going to be an amusement ride. 2019 for a drag strip That's like being in a room full of hot ladies and having ED.

www.thechicagogarage.com

 

[Jimy Bilmo]

that's a quote from five years ago.

It wasn’t quoted with a link, sooo…..

 

[Yaj Yak]

It wasn’t quoted with a link, sooo…..

i dunno how you're missing it here but good job super seeker.

 

[Bob Kazamakis]

It’s literally in the quote from Mike K.

 

[jason05gt]

What's stopping it? 20 - 30 years before ICE doesn't represent the majority of sales? I'd say it's closer to 5. ......



.....My guess is within 5 years electric is capturing at least 50% of the major automotive markets and almost all of the short haul new purchases (buses, UPS trucks, etc). It will trickle down as it is now with the last segments to switch over being the ultra-cheap economy cars .....

Save this post. Print it and stick it on your fridge and if in 5 years I'm more wrong than I am right, you can shame me. I won't be though.

GOOD MORNING M Mike K

Gotta also find some classic Zoomer exponential growth quotes too.

 

[Mr_Roboto]

It wasn’t quoted with a link, sooo…..

Click the red name in the quote and it will take you there.

 

[Jimy Bilmo]

Click the red name in the quote and it will take you there.

I know. His posts quoting Mike K were there, but the italicized shit wasn't. I didn't read the things he quoted, so, yeah. Anyway, fuck EV's

 

[Mr_Roboto]

Gotta also find some classic Zoomer exponential growth quotes too.

 

[Yaj Yak]

I know. His posts quoting Mike K were there, but the italicized shit wasn't. I didn't read the things he quoted, so, yeah. Anyway, fuck EV's

the italicized part was there for chuckleheads like yourself, who can manage to be on this site 24/7 yet can't manage to read more than a sentence or two per post... perfect example... didn't read M Mike K's entire quote...

 

[FirstWorldProblems]

Dayumn KJ playing the long game. Pure EV, 5.5% of US market