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  • #627
    CMNTMXR57 said:
    Sorry, I thought that was the plaid + based on the screen shots in the other thread.

    Either way, low 9, sub-8 second 1/4 mile runs in a full loaded daily driver is just mind numbing.
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    Yea they did some fucky shit where with the refresh they basically re-labeled the performance version the plaid and it’s still running the 18650 cells. The new 4780 structural battery pack version will be the plaid plus.
     
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    interestingengineering.com

    Audi Just Halted Development of New Combustion Engines

    Audi just ceased combustion engine development! And the CEO claims it will do little good.
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    Audi all done with petrol
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    i legit don't know how you can read that article and gather "all done with petrol" from it


    one of the first lines is:

    "We will no longer develop a new combustion engine, but will adapt our existing combustion engines to new emission guidelines,"


    hardly "the end" of ICE from them.


    then one of the next lines:

    Duesmann didn't say when Audi would sell its final new car housing an internal combustion engine. But the Audi CEO pointed to global regions where energy supply and charging infrastructure are underdeveloped during the FAS interview.
     
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  • #639
    will ice go away?

    for sure.

    will it go away in your or M Mike K's timeline



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    Mike K said:
    What's stopping it? 20 - 30 years before ICE doesn't represent the majority of sales? I'd say it's closer to 5.

    We're at the inflection point right now and the thing is it's all so obvious. You don't need to be a super-genius to see it. We all seem to agree that once we've reached parity it's lights out for ICE and that's the only point I'm making when I say ICE is dead. It's dead technology. You could improve it by a factor of ten and you'd never be able to eliminate it's shortcomings and there will be no breakthrough that suddenly makes it cheaper to manufacture. So since we all seem to agree that once we've reached parity ICE is dead, it seems all we disagree on is when that's going to happen and that's the easy part.

    Assume no new interest in battery technology, which isn't realistic at all but let's assume that's the case. We can assume ICE drivetrains are not only not getting cheaper to manufacture but are getting modestly more expensive. So right off the bat you can see that ICE drivetrains have flatlined in terms of costs and are actually starting to increase in recent years whereas electric drivetrains continue to follow their trajectory downward with no signs of stopping. Not only will they get cheaper; they'll get a lot cheaper. You can do the same with charging, the same with charge speeds, the same with range, etc. Any metric naysayers cling to as the one that needs to be overcome before mass adoption is already relatively close to parity and is following a trajectory that will put it beyond parity very soon.

    At that point who will buy ICE vehicles? Nobody but enthusiasts. The transition will happen faster than anyone thinks because very suddenly it won't make any sense to buy an internal combustion vehicle. But you won't even have that choice for long because once it does hit price parity, it won't make sense for these for-profit companies to make less efficient powertrains with thousands of parts that they have to warranty.

    So again, the argument is when do we hit parity and I think very conservatively you're looking at just a few years. My guess is within 5 years electric is capturing at least 50% of the major automotive markets and almost all of the short haul new purchases (buses, UPS trucks, etc). It will trickle down as it is now with the last segments to switch over being the ultra-cheap economy cars. And to be clear, I'm not saying 50% of the cars on the road; I'm saying new sales. UPS probably isn't going to ditch a bunch of 2 - 3 year old trucks to buy new electric trucks but they'll buy them as older trucks come up for replacement.

    To be clear though, 100% ICE is dead. Stick a fork in it. It's gone. Electrification is 100% the future. In my opinion the only thing you could debate there is the power source. Maybe there's some huge breakthrough there, maybe not. Maybe in 30 years we'll all be driving around electric cars with tiny fusion reactors for the power source but they will 100% be electric cars, not shitty old complicated internal combustion engines. I'm as much of an enthusiast as anyone else here but come on... In the grand scope of things ICE is such a relic now and it will only become more apparent with time.

    Save this post. Print it and stick it on your fridge and if in 5 years I'm more wrong than I am right, you can shame me. I won't be though.
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    I think the biggest thing you are overlooking [MENTION=396]Mike K[/MENTION], (and truth be told, maybe you aren't i haven't read this thread since I derailed it) is that the car & truck buyers of the US do not use logic when purchasing vehicles. they use emotions. they buy what they want, not what they need or should have.

    I mean minivan's make the most sense for the majority of families out there, yet they are a tough sell :rofl:

    the new hybrid pacifica is rated at 84mpge, yet i've yet to see any :rofl:

    until something DRASTIC happens/changes, I don't think people will change their buying habits.

    that's why pickup trucks sell in droves, or 4wd vehicles in general, not because most people need them, but because they want them.

    3/4 ton long bed to drop the kids off at soccer?

    FUCK YEAH

    because maaaaaaaybe i'll go buy a camper some day, that's why I bought a truck.


    denali's and escalade's are up 10% over last year :rofl: there is 0 logic to buy one of those, and GM could put pink dildos on the roof's of each vehicle, and they would still sell.
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    What are the timeline guesses again?
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    M Mike K's five year guess expires october 2022.
     
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    Maybe is referring to Manufacturers long term plans. I would bet he is right by October 2022, all manufacturers have planned out their ICE to Electric long term plan. Many have made it public. Even Dodge did it somewhat :oops:

    Every manufacturer is counting on some battery break throughs and decreased costs. If you remove the battery costs, electric cars are significantly cheaper to produce.

    The real lag will be the box trucks, big rigs, RV's, etc.
     
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    MikeyLikesIt said:
    Maybe is referring to Manufacturers long term plans. I would bet he is right by October 2022, all manufacturers have planned out their ICE to Electric long term plan. Many have made it public. Even Dodge did it somewhat :oops:

    Every manufacturer is counting on some battery break throughs and decreased costs. If you remove the battery costs, electric cars are significantly cheaper to produce.

    The real lag will be the box trucks, big rigs, RV's, etc.
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    :rofl:

    his post clearly says "What's stopping it? 20 - 30 years before ICE doesn't represent the majority of sales? I'd say it's closer to 5. "

    there's zero up for interpretation there.
     
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    Maybe here in the US, but this will not be the case for the rest of the world. Which is why Audi, Volvo and others are moving to electric sooner than later.

    www.weforum.org

    Chart: Which countries have the most electric cars?

    According to estimates, European nations continued to dominate the percentage sales of electric vehicles in 2020, with global uptake also rising last year.
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    MikeyLikesIt said:
    Maybe here in the US, but this will not be the case for the rest of the world. Which is why Audi, Volvo and others are moving to electric sooner than later.

    www.weforum.org

    Chart: Which countries have the most electric cars?

    According to estimates, European nations continued to dominate the percentage sales of electric vehicles in 2020, with global uptake also rising last year.
    www.weforum.org www.weforum.org
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    his post didn't say "here not there" :rofl: jesus man. just say his claim is unlikely
     
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  • #650
    Yaj Yak said:
    as we say in every single one of these threads, until infrastructure improves, load capacities over greater ranges improves, and charging times improve, ice will remain the majority of sales.
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    I’m wondering why everybody thinks the electric infrastructure is this delicate egg and if people start getting electric cars it will crumble. Even if gasoline vehicles were banned today it would take 20 years for all the vehicles on the road to be electric based on how long people hang onto average cars before they go to the junkyard. Obviously it isn’t going to happen that fast anyway so there will be ample time for the grid to increase any capacity it needs to. Not to mention charging a car at hone uses about the same amount of electricity as a whole home air conditioner for a few hours so it’s not like the wires coming into your house are going to start melting the insulation off of them or something. my guess is that peoples assumptions about how this kind of stuff works is greatly exaggerated
     
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