Rumormill: 2013 Shelby GT500 to boast over 600 horsepower

[SHOmuff]

FORD IS THE BEST. FORD IS THE FASTEST.

 

[Typhoon]

So if we are talking HP/L now, that puts the new 5.0 a good 15 hp/L better than any V8 that GM has currently.

I think your forgetting the LSA & LS9.

 

[Typhoon]

Also I have questions about this HP/L thing. And Im just using these as an example. Not saying either is better than the other.

6.2 LS3:
430 HP
26mpg

5.0 Coyote
412
24mpg

I guess I just dont understand what HP/L matters. While the LS3 is another 1.3L larger, it makes more power with better fuel economy in a physically smaller package.

 

[Primalzer]

I think your forgetting the LSA & LS9.

I am only talking NA motors, when you start to get into forced induction, that is a whole different ball game.

LS9 - 102 hp/L
Ford GT - 101 hp/L

Again this is within 1 hp/L

We will just go with advertised ratings and not what people have been dynoing in the real world with those motors, because if we did, it would look ALOT different.

 

[Primalzer]

Also I have questions about this HP/L thing. And Im just using these as an example. Not saying either is better than the other.

6.2 LS3:
430 HP
26mpg

5.0 Coyote
412
24mpg

I guess I just dont understand what HP/L matters. While the LS3 is another 1.3L larger, it makes more power with better fuel economy in a physically smaller package.

There is ALOT that goes into gas mileage that cannot necessarily be placed all on the engine. Drag coefficient, weight, gearing, tire size, unsprung weight, etc etc have a lot to do with it.

And I don't know where you are getting your gas mileage info....

2011 Ford Mustang GT 6-speed manual - 17/26
2011 Ford Mustang GT 6-speed automatic - 18/25
2011 Chevrolet Camaro SS 6-speed manual - 16/24
2011 Chevrolet Camaro SS 6-speed automatic - 16/25

[fueleconomy.gov]

 

[jason05gt]

There is ALOT that goes into gas mileage that cannot necessarily be placed all on the engine. Drag coefficient, weight, gearing, tire size, unsprung weight, etc etc have a lot to do with it.

And I don't know where you are getting your gas mileage info....

2011 Ford Mustang GT 6-speed manual - 17/26
2011 Ford Mustang GT 6-speed automatic - 18/25
2011 Chevrolet Camaro SS 6-speed manual - 16/24
2011 Chevrolet Camaro SS 6-speed automatic - 16/25

[fueleconomy.gov]

He is probably pulling the C6 LS3 numbers which isn't a apples to apples comparison.

 

[Primalzer]

He is probably pulling the C6 LS3 numbers which isn't a apples to apples comparison.

He is, but I still don't know where he is getting the 5.0 numbers. Nothing I can find will show it getting less than 25.

 

[Typhoon]

I am only talking NA motors, when you start to get into forced induction, that is a whole different ball game.

LS9 - 102 hp/L
Ford GT - 101 hp/L

Again this is within 1 hp/L

We will just go with advertised ratings and not what people have been dynoing in the real world with those motors, because if we did, it would look ALOT different.

You never said anything about N/A motors. You said the coyote was 15 hp/l better than ANY V8 Gm had to offer. Im glad you brought up the Ford GT example.

ZR1 638hp
14/20

Ford GT 550hp?
12/19

(These figures came from fueleconomy.gov) Both motors as shown above are within 1 hp/l. So I again I ask what does HP/L prove?

 

[Typhoon]

There is ALOT that goes into gas mileage that cannot necessarily be placed all on the engine. Drag coefficient, weight, gearing, tire size, unsprung weight, etc etc have a lot to do with it.

And I don't know where you are getting your gas mileage info....

2011 Ford Mustang GT 6-speed manual - 17/26
2011 Ford Mustang GT 6-speed automatic - 18/25
2011 Chevrolet Camaro SS 6-speed manual - 16/24
2011 Chevrolet Camaro SS 6-speed automatic - 16/25

[fueleconomy.gov]

I was getting my info from Edmunds.

He is probably pulling the C6 LS3 numbers which isn't a apples to apples comparison.

In all fairness, yes I did take C6 #'s. But the ZR1 Ford GT example should be much closer. And in regards to drag coefficients, etc... maybe in the Ford GT's favor.

 

[jason05gt]

You never said anything about N/A motors. You said the coyote was 15 hp/l better than ANY V8 Gm had to offer. Im glad you brought up the Ford GT example.

ZR1 638hp
14/20

Ford GT 550hp?
12/19

(These figures came from fueleconomy.gov) Both motors as shown above are within 1 hp/l. So I again I ask what does HP/L prove?

The Ford GT doesn't make 550 so your numbers are off

 

[blakbearddelite]

Both motors as shown above are within 1 hp/l. So I again I ask what does HP/L prove?

It's just a way of comparing efficiencies. It's not really anything to brag about on the street.

Ford went from producing 215hp to 400+hp in the 5.0 motor. Now they're being that much more efficient.

 

[Typhoon]

The Ford GT doesn't make 550 so your numbers are off

What does it make then and how does its rated HP effect the fuel economy # I quoted? Primalzer stated himself both motors are within 1 hp/l.

 

[Typhoon]

I think you guys are taking my posts wrong. I am not saying one motor is better than another. Im just trying to say that I dont think HP/L means much of anything in these debates.

 

[jason05gt]

What does it make then and how does its rated HP effect the fuel economy # I quoted?

You are comparing apples to oranges. Every car guy knows that the Ford GT is underrated.

Also, the Ford GT is heavier and has a pretty poor coefficient of drag. I believe it is .39 which is .1 worse than the Vette. Weight and aero play a big role in fuel economy. Make the Ford GT 150 lbs lighter with a .28 and the numbers will look at lot different.

That being said, it seems like the GM guys are jealous of Ford’s success. GM disbanded it’s high performance vehicle division in 2009 and doesn’t have the resources to play catch up to Ford.

 

[Primalzer]

Its one hell of a motor compared to any motor that is out there, GM included. Even though the 5.0 is significantly larger in size, it only weighs 15 pounds more than the LS3. I would say that's pretty good. At this point I would take the 5.0 over any N/A GM motor out there. When you factor in the Boss 5.0, then you start to get in a whole different league. So if we are talking HP/L now, that puts the new 5.0 a good 15 hp/L better than any V8 that GM has currently.

I figured everyone knew I was talking NA, because we were only talking NA, and I specifically mentioned NA in this post.

 

[Primalzer]

You never said anything about N/A motors. You said the coyote was 15 hp/l better than ANY V8 Gm had to offer. Im glad you brought up the Ford GT example.

ZR1 638hp
14/20

Ford GT 550hp?
12/19

(These figures came from fueleconomy.gov) Both motors as shown above are within 1 hp/l. So I again I ask what does HP/L prove?

DarkSS brought up the hp/L thing. Why I responded to it is because he was providing misinformation, so I made sure to correct it. I personally think that it is a poor measure of power and more hp/L doesn't necessarily translate into better fuel economy or speed.

 

[Typhoon]

I personally think that it is a poor measure of power and more hp/L doesn't necessarily translate into better fuel economy or speed.

Thank you. Thats all I was looking for.

 

[THEHKP7M13]

Honestly Ford has the $$$$, they need a true "HALO" car wheather it be another Thunderbird or GT. I know retro is played to death, but would love to see both the Lincoln Continental and Ford 1949 showcars from a few years back make "halo" car production.